Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/11/22 17:24, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: Quoting Thomas Goirand (2022-05-11 17:14:57) For backwards compatibility, I think that the firmware component is going to need to be a subset of non-free; i.e. packages are going to need to be *copied* not moved from non-free to the firmw

Re: needs suggestion on LuaJit's IBM architecture dilemma

2022-05-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hi! On 5/12/22 03:29, M. Zhou wrote: > I learned in disappointment after becoming LuaJit uploader that > the LuaJit upstream behaves uncooperatively especially for IBM > architectures [1]. IIUC, the upstream has no intention to care > about IBM architectures (ppc64el, s390x). > > The current ppc6

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 19:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > You may want to talk to people responsible for that firmware, reproducible > builds sounds like an attainable goal to me. I don't have any of the hardware that supports SOF, so I'll leave that up to the firmware-sof-signed maintainer etc.

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, 2022-05-11 at 17:14 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > A work around would be to have some automation to check if non-free is > activated, and (propose to) update the sources.list automatically to add > non-free-firmware. That isn't feasible, since apt sources are managed external to Debian

needs suggestion on LuaJit's IBM architecture dilemma

2022-05-11 Thread M. Zhou
Hi folks, I learned in disappointment after becoming LuaJit uploader that the LuaJit upstream behaves uncooperatively especially for IBM architectures [1]. IIUC, the upstream has no intention to care about IBM architectures (ppc64el, s390x). The current ppc64el support on stable is done through c

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 09:48:56AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > The only exception is things like firmware-sof-signed, which is libre > firmware except the binaries are built and signed by Intel, so Debian > can't build the firmware binaries ourselves, unless the approach taken > with the Secure Boot

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Thomas Goirand (2022-05-11 17:14:57) > > For backwards compatibility, I think that the firmware component is > > going to need to be a subset of non-free; i.e. packages are going to > > need to be *copied* not moved from non-free to the firmware component, > > which means they would be avai

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/11/22 03:48, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, 2022-05-10 at 14:30 -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: So let's assume that at least all those packages can move to non-free-firmware. For backwards compatibility, I think that the firmware component is going to need to be a subset of non-free; i.e. packages

Re: Firmware: Scope of non-free-firmware

2022-05-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 12:04:15AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 10 May 2022 14:30 -06, Sam Hartman: > > 2) We value being able to build from source when we can. We value > > being able to have reproducible builds when we can. We don't want to > > take steps backward in those areas in order to

Re: udevil (package) recommends udisks2?

2022-05-11 Thread Mateusz Łukasik
On 10.05.2022 at 14:06 +0200, Jaime wrote: According to https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/udevil, udevil recommends udisks2. Two questions: 1) Why? 2) What willI I lose by having udevil *without* udisks2? Many thanks, J Hello, I think adding the maintainer as CC to this message was perhap