Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 01:53:02PM -0700]: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25:50PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 12:31:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > IMHO, it's better to have a vote quickly on a limited set of GR options, > > > with the possibilit

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-20 Thread Bug Report
Good Evening Kurt: I have carefully read your complaint about Richard Stallman, and while I believe everyone should be entitled to an opinion on values, I find your condemnation of Stallman to be unfounded, and not relevant to software development, particularly Stallman's position on abortion

Bug#987291: ITP: gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng -- desktop icon support for GNOME Shell

2021-04-20 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package name: gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng Version : 0.17.0-1 Upstream Author : Sergio Costas URL : https://gitlab.com/rastersoft/desktop-icons-ng License : GPL-3+ Programming L

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25:50PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 12:31:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > IMHO, it's better to have a vote quickly on a limited set of GR options, > > with the possibility of a second GR if there is sufficient dissatisfaction > > with the fi

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group

2021-04-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to read some wants to change the > voting system because of what happened during this GR. Yes, the voting > system should be improved if it is possible to do so. But this GR > shouldn't be the main reason/motivation. There are a few d

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Russ Allbery
Wouter Verhelst writes: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:04:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> * A formal amendment has to be sponsored like a new GR before it can be >> accepted, but the original proposer of a GR can make their own amendment >> without having it be sponsored. These two rules ma

Bug#987263: ITP: node-jmespath -- javascript implementation of JMESPath

2021-04-20 Thread Nilesh Patra
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Nilesh Patra X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, nil...@debian.org * Package name: node-jmespath Version : 0.15.0+dfsg Upstream Author : James Saryerwinnie * URL : https://github.com/jmespath/jmespath.js * License

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Ansgar
Simon Richter writes: > A core component of the operating system we ship is so complex that it > needs to be maintained by full-time employees. This has effectively given > the corporation employing these people veto power over our technical > decisions, because even though the software they ship i

Re: Proposed mass-bug filing: missing support for build-arch or build-indep

2021-04-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 02:50:22PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > I think you should start with a lower severity and consider bumping it > to serious once you're down to a manageable number. agreed. thanks for changing my mind, Julien! -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debia

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:45:29PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Debian is a political project that promotes the autonomy of users vis-a-vis > > large organizations such as corporations and governments. It does this by > > promoting the creation of free software, and by fostering a community

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2021-04-20 12:44, Adrian Bunk wrote: A single person being able to block consensus of basically everyone else feels like opening up the process to unconstructive behavior. A single person whom we trust to upload anything to our archive.[1] If the person thinks there is something left that

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:58:51AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > 4) It seems like there is an emerging consensus that we want either all > votes secret or to be able to have secret non-DPL votes. I dispute this statement. Some people said that. I disagree that voting secrecy is (sensibly) possible.

Re: Proposed mass-bug filing: missing support for build-arch or build-indep

2021-04-20 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 03:11:21PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to propose a mass bug filing on source packages that miss > support for build-arch or build-indep targets in debian/rules. > > Those targets were made mandatory in Debian Policy 3.9.4 (released in > August 2012

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Timo Röhling
* Wouter Verhelst [2021-04-20 13:50]: Not sure whether you consider this an issue, but I don't see that as a problem. There is a difference between "we can't reach an agreement and therefore decide on a no-outcome vote" (which the default option is), and "we have considered all the options and d

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:04:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonathan Carter writes: > > > I think that framing the problems and noting them while the last GR is > > still fresh in our collective memories will be really useful. I don't > > think anyone should feel too much pressure right now t

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Eduard, On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 08:49:56PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Make no mistake, the quest to have "apolitical" free software is deeply > > political in itself: the process that decides which group can establish > Sorry, by your definition there is no way to escape from political >

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:59:31AM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 2021-04-20 10:59, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I would suggest to replace the option of shortening the discussion > > period with the possibility of early calling for a vote after a week > > that can be vetoed by any developer within 24 h

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group

2021-04-20 Thread Ansgar
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2021-04-20 10:59, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> I would suggest to replace the option of shortening the discussion >> period with the possibility of early calling for a vote after a week >> that can be vetoed by any developer within 24 hours. This would ensure >> that shorter dis

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2021-04-20 10:59, Adrian Bunk wrote: I would suggest to replace the option of shortening the discussion period with the possibility of early calling for a vote after a week that can be vetoed by any developer within 24 hours. This would ensure that shorter discussion periods would only happen

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 01:04:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >... > * The length of the discussion period is ill-defined in multiple ways, > which has repeatedly caused conflicts. It only resets on accepted > amendments but not new ballot options, which makes little logical sense > and cons

Bug#987235: ITP: pcm -- tools for Intel-specific processor performance and energy metrics

2021-04-20 Thread Adam Borowski
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adam Borowski X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: pcm Upstream Author : Intel * URL : https://github.com/opcm/pcm/ * License : BSD-3 Programming Lang: C++ Description : tools for Intel-specific proce

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/20/21 12:10 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: > Instead, some people viewed this as an election about how neutral Debian > should be. Some people viewed it as a discussion of how much we should > support rms. > Some people focused on what we should say about rms. > And that's okay. > We'll never entirel

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group

2021-04-20 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/04/20 00:10, Sam Hartman wrote: > The sorts of abuses I was talking about have to do with powers of the > original proposer to muck with the process. > Steve could have dragged the process out as long as he wished by > accepting amendments. > Under a strict reading of the constitution, Stev