Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Austin English
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:57 AM Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > Maybe the comparison to winetricks is not very fitting because I think > winetricks can *only* download non-free software while lutris can also > download > games that their developers distribute under a DFSG license? (Ups

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-04 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject... It is a kind of freedom to

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-04 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject...  It is a kind of freedom to

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Simon McVittie (2021-04-04 13:55:21) > On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 at 13:23:14 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > On 16093 March 1977, Dominik George wrote: > > > That surprised me. If a package is free software, in ful laccordance > > > with the DFSG, why is it put into contrib? > > > > There is, as

Re: About lintian

2021-04-04 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Felix thanks for the message and the web site. I have immediately tried it out with a few packages of mine, as well as all of my packages. Indeed, that took quite some time ;-) Looks nice, but I am not sure how useful it will be for me, as I said, I usually run lintian before uploading, so the

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread John Darrah
Suppression of the discussion just makes it worse. It should be discussed on every Debian list as the entire community has feelings in this subject. Debian wouldn't exist without the entire community so why would they not be part of the discussion. Cheers. -- jhd On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 14:40 -070

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread Paul Sutton
On 04/04/2021 22:38, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: Hi guys, Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. Regards +1 to this, I am on the free sof

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi guys, Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. Regards Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.mo...@lavache.com a écrit : If you don't want these eg

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread crazy . molly
If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their vendettas you can resign from Debian.  This is the choice.  How many people will resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman?  Please tell us before the vote finishes so we call can know this now. No matter the outcome of this vot

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread Stephan Lachnit
> Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? If you refer to Jonathan Carter, that isn't even the person that started the vote, nor an original author of the open letter. Do your research, tbh to me it seems like you are a complete outsider. > Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! Yo

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 11:30 +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote: > For winetricks it is a bit more tricky as it can download non-free > dlls afaik. How does this compare for instance to Firefox, which can/will download non-free binaries for DRM? Regards

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread crazy . molly
> If you were, why do you try to destroy it with this attempt? Why does the toxic woman want to destroy reputations? Destroy nobody - Or destroy everybody! You can't have it both ways. If Debian is a vehicle for defamation, every one of you faces full consequences. Your jobs are the target

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread Stephan Lachnit
> We are contributors to Debian > > The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable If you were, why do you try to destroy it with this attempt? > Please stop! Delete all fascism and defamation about any volunteer that has > been instigated from Debian in any form whatsoev

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909

2021-04-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:22:16PM +0200, crazy.mo...@lavache.com wrote: > We are contributors to Debian > > The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable > We can't allow a crazy woman who slept with a past project leader to hijack Go away, FakeMikee. We know what your

Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909

2021-04-04 Thread crazy . molly
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-proj...@lists.debian.org,debian-v...@lists.debian.org,debian-devel@lists.debian.org We are contributors to Debian The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable We can't allow a crazy woman who slept with a past proje

Re: About lintian

2021-04-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le vendredi 02 avril 2021 à 19:31:30-0700, Felix Lechner a écrit : > Dear Norbert, > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 5:02 AM Norbert Preining > wrote: > > > > you said you have plans to set up a test version of the Lintian web > > application on non-Debian infrastructure. How is that going, Felix? >

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (2021-04-04 12:42:47) > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 11:17:01AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > > Which one do we. as a community, prefer? > The project usually seems to prefer "free software" over "our users". No, the project prefer what is both free software and serves our

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sun, 04 Apr 2021 at 13:23:14 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 16093 March 1977, Dominik George wrote: > > That surprised me. If a package is free software, in ful laccordance > > with the DFSG, why is it put into contrib? > > There is, as usual, no clear answer. > > The policy for main is clea

Re: File moved from one package to another - use Conflicts/Replaces or Breaks/Replaces?

2021-04-04 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2021-04-03 Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > Hello! > In MariaDB we have over the years moved files around. A file that was first > in e.g. mariadb-server-10.3 might have been moved to > mariadb-server-core-10.3 and some years later to mariadb-client-core-10.5. > The result is a massive debian/control

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16093 March 1977, Dominik George wrote: That surprised me. If a package is free software, in ful laccordance with the DFSG, why is it put into contrib? I can see where this note comes from — the package maintainer does not want to help people install non-free software, a point of view that is

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 11:17:01AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > a) They try Debian, and find out they have to learn how the different > package areas work, reconfigure their package sources (they would need that anyway as they need firmware and, very probable, nvidia-driver) > Which one do

Re: Realtek RTL8723DE, RTL8821CE, RTL8822BE and RTL8822CE chipsets

2021-04-04 Thread Devops PK Carlisle LLC
This is interesting. First, I must ask... Are either Ralink or Atheros more quickly adopted into Linux support before Realtek? Are they more stable, etc.? (In my original post, I noted that I pulled a Realtek based 5ghz dongle from an extreme end user system, in no small part due to stability/reli

Re: Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Stephan Lachnit
Hi Doinik, I'm the Lutris Maintainer for Debian, and I completely agree with you. However, at least for Lutris, there is no choice since we recommend winetricks. Thus, I simply copied the copyright comment from winetricks. For winetricks it is a bit more tricky as it can download non-free dlls af

Packages in contrib solely because they allow using non-free software

2021-04-04 Thread Dominik George
Hi, I have stumbled across this note, in the d/copyright file of the lutris package: > Comment: lutris is not part of the Debian distribution, but is in the contrib > archive area instead, because while lutris itself is free software, its main > purpose is to download and install mainly non-fre