Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM Christian Kastner wrote: > [Well, technically, you could use your own lawyer to perform the due > diligence and have them submit any necessary changes to the BTS, but I > think it's safe to assume that that is a theoretical example.] The OSI started ClearlyDefined,

Work-needing packages report for Mar 27, 2020

2020-03-26 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 1223 (new: 1) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 232 (new: 0) Total number of packages reques

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Friday, 27 March 2020 5:42:47 AM AEDT Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > B) there are reasons why people recommend not to use the packaged > versions of docker.io. No opinion on the others, never touched them. The are some valid reasons, for example version in "stable" is too old and the package (and more

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Johannes Schauer
Quoting Andrej Shadura (2020-03-26 22:24:41) > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 21:01, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > > > are running and under which licenses. They often want to be holier not > > > only than the Pope, but holier than the whol

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 21:01, Russ Allbery wrote: > > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > > are running and under which licenses. They often want to be holier not > > only than the Pope, but holier than the whole population of Poland, > > Italy and Spanish-sp

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Johannes Schauer
Hi, Quoting Russ Allbery (2020-03-25 03:25:49) > Michael Lustfield writes: > > One last thing to consider... NEW reviews are already an intense process. > > If this package hit NEW /and/ we allowed vendored libs, you could safely > > expect me to never complete that particular review. I doubt I'm

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Christian Kastner
On 26.03.20 19:57, Andrej Shadura wrote: > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > are running and under which licenses. The only way to know that is by performing your own due diligence. > They are often bound by regulations with heavy fines for violating > them, an

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Andrej Shadura writes: > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > are running and under which licenses. They often want to be holier not > only than the Pope, but holier than the whole population of Poland, > Italy and Spanish-speaking countries altogether (I hope I d

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:27:18 PM EDT Kyle Edwards wrote: > On Thu, 2020-03-26 at 19:57 +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote: > > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > > are running and under which licenses. They often want to be holier > > not > > only than the Pope, bu

Re: Re: discrepancy in ISO 3166-1 country codes

2020-03-26 Thread Erica Castro
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Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Kyle Edwards
On Thu, 2020-03-26 at 19:57 +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote: > An example: commercial users. They need to know *exactly* what they > are running and under which licenses. They often want to be holier > not > only than the Pope, but holier than the whole population of Poland, > Italy and Spanish-speakin

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 12:40, Christian Kastner wrote: > There's this expression in German for when one takes a policy too far: > "Don't try to be holier than the Pope". > > But that's how maintaining debian/copyright has come to feel to me. We > still apply a level of detail that seems out o

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 3/25/20 11:30 PM, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > Given that logic even re-compiling using different compiler would not be > trustworthy. And indeed some people make exactly that argument -- "use our > tested binary" as one can't be sure if re-compiling introduces any bugs. Indeed I'd expect it th

Bug#955005: Relax requirements to copy copyright notices into d/copyright

2020-03-26 Thread Sean Whitton
Package: debian-policy Version: 4.5.0.0 User: debian-pol...@packages.debian.org Usertags: normative discussion X-debbugs-cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, ftpmas...@debian.org Scott has provided a useful summary of what the FTP Team require when it comes to copyright information, and as another F

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 25.03.20 23:39, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >> Software packages like kubernetes, docker, and many of the other "hip >> tools of the day" are moving way too fast for our release scheme. > It is worth remembering that Debian is not only a stable release. > Statically built Golang apps are easy t

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:40:42 AM EDT Christian Kastner wrote: > On 25.03.20 15:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > The FTP Team review of debian/copyright is about DFSG and upstream license > > compliance. Most licenses require things like copyright statement > > preservation in binary distributi

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Christian Kastner
On 25.03.20 15:50, Scott Kitterman wrote: > The FTP Team review of debian/copyright is about DFSG and upstream license > compliance. Most licenses require things like copyright statement > preservation in binary distribution and debian/copyright is how we do that. > Occasionally, in the proces

Bug#954986: ITP: locker -- Container

2020-03-26 Thread Amit
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Amit * Package name: locker Version : 0.0~git20200313.1210f0e-1 Upstream Author : amit * URL : www.gitlab.com/amit-yuval/locker * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go Description : Container

Bug#954987: ITP: locker -- Container

2020-03-26 Thread Amit
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Amit * Package name: locker Version : 0.0~git20200313.1210f0e-1 Upstream Author : amit * URL : https://www.gitlab.com/amit-yuval/locker * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go Description : Container

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Thursday, 26 March 2020 7:27:33 PM AEDT Marc Haber wrote: > I still wouldn't dare pulling testing or unstable packages to > production systems. It's like a worst-of-all-worlds approach. Not at all. Packaging is an extra layer of safety. Upstream release may be outright broken, unusable or bugg

Re: What to do when DD considers policy to be optional? [kubernetes]

2020-03-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:39:56 +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >On Thursday, 26 March 2020 3:45:21 AM AEDT Marc Haber wrote: >> Software packages like kubernetes, docker, and many of the other "hip >> tools of the day" are moving way too fast for our release scheme. > >It is worth remembering that Debi