On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 09:03:18PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> This isn't just for us; it's also for the upstreams involved. It can be
> demoralizing and frustrating to be pulled into negative discussions about
> something you care about, and people have limited capacity to react
> gracefully to
Paul Wise writes:
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 10:09 AM Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Please let us have internal conversations without using them to
>> prematurely pick fights with external maintainers.
> It definitely wasn't my intention to pick a fight.
Yeah, I didn't think that part was intentional si
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 10:09 AM Russ Allbery wrote:
> Please let us have internal conversations without using them to
> prematurely pick fights with external maintainers.
It definitely wasn't my intention to pick a fight.
I strongly disagree with hiding upstream problems from upstream
developers
Paul Wise writes:
> That was me. I apologise for the confusion I generated. I get annoyed at
> people who don't CC the right people when sending mail. In this case I
> probably should have sent you Federico direct mail pointing at the
> archives instead.
This is called snitch-tagging in other fo
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 4:48 AM Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 03:36:08PM -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 11:48 +0800, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> >
> > Why am I getting BCCed on this? Is this low-key unsolicited
> > complaining like in https://
Am Do., 6. Juni 2019 um 20:33 Uhr schrieb Kyle Edwards
:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have been preparing Ubuntu releases for CMake on our own APT
> repository for several months now. We did this by preparing our own
> repository infrastructure - we have a machine that builds packages, and
> a machine that
btw,
i'd also be in favor of raising this to 100 Euro or British Pounds or
Swiss Francs, or whatever the currency is, where 90-110 $something has
the most value.
contributions are our highest value.
--
tschau,
Holger
On Wed, Jun 05, 2019 at 09:19:03AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Handling reimbursements for BSPs has significantly crossed my threshhold
> for not being fun with our current procedures. We absolutely should
> reimburse developers attending BSPs
yes! why don't you just say 'yes' to all requests wri
On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 22:48 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> I did not BCC you, someone must have bounced it to you. You might
> want to look at your mail headers to see how it got to you. I don't
> even know your email address (well now I do...). I hope whoever did
> it will step forward.
You
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 12:32:54PM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> >> +1 for Materia (materia-gtk-theme), especially the dark variant. It's a
> >> simple, flat dark theme that preserves contrast without being having a
> >> pitch black background, more so than Arc-Dark and even Adwaita-Dark. The
> >> widge
On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 11:48 +0800, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
Why am I getting BCCed on this? Is this low-key unsolicited
complaining like in https://mastodon.social/@juliank/102226793499538013
?
> seeing that Federico Mena Quintero has taken over bzip2 development
> and is in the process of po
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 09:54:01AM +0200, Xavier wrote:
> Le 07/06/2019 à 09:48, Mo Zhou a écrit :
> > On 2019-06-06 21:44, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> >> I do remember there's still some source packages / binary packages in
> >> Debian
> >> using the bzip2 format. If we are going to do that (which
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 10:57:17PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 21:09:
> > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> > > I use Noto Sans, which supports a lot of languages out of the box
> > > and is the default in at least Cinnamon AFAIK.
> >
> >
Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 21:09:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
[…]
> > > * default font is ugly and poorly hinted -- the latter is
> > > especially jarring> >
> > > on a low-resolution screen I'm at right now, the former still
> > > applies to one's proper battles
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 03:36:08PM -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:
> On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 11:48 +0800, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>
> Why am I getting BCCed on this? Is this low-key unsolicited
> complaining like in https://mastodon.social/@juliank/102226793499538013
I did not BCC you, som
On 2019-06-07 12:09 p.m., Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
>> As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
>> so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
>> focus on looks out of the box more t
On 07/06/2019 18:46, Pranav Jain wrote:
> Probably this one: https://www.catarse.me/debconf19
Ops, thanks :-)
I had forgotten it.
Best regards,
--
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls)
Curitiba - Brasil
Debian Developer
Diretor do Instituto para Conservação de Tecnologias Livres
Membro da Com
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:24:03AM -0700, James Lu wrote:
> As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
> so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
> focus on looks out of the box more than others.
Yeah, and when upstream defaults are not
Adam Borowski - 07.06.19, 17:24:
> This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
>
> I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause, thus
> I'd find it hard to bring constructive arguments there.
Similar to you I do not "get" GNOME 3. I have no idea why I would like
to use it. But
Hey Adam
On 2019/06/07 17:24, Adam Borowski wrote:> I'll concentrate at XFCE
I proposed most of what you said in this email (and some more) in the
#debian-xfce channel a few months ago. They were actually surprisingly
open to having such config changes and suggested I prepare a proposal, I
was g
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019, Wookey wrote:
> On 2019-06-07 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > * CSD is still a thing. No, your special program shouldn't get to ignore
> > system theme, put controls in wrong order, miss some controls, not respond
> > to minimize/etc if it's currently busy, etc. Co
Bjørn Mork - 07.06.19, 19:22:
> Adam Borowski writes:
> > => Install gtk3-nocsd by default in all desktop tasks but Gnome.
> > It's not>
> > perfect but it helps.
>
> That's nice. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy nice tools like eog and
> evince, but have always been annoyed by the miss
On 2019-06-07 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> * CSD is still a thing. No, your special program shouldn't get to ignore
> system theme, put controls in wrong order, miss some controls, not respond
> to minimize/etc if it's currently busy, etc. Consistency not one-off
> designs.
What is
(I *love* customization, so I can't help but chime in here...)
As far as I know, Debian mostly uses default upstream desktop defaults,
so these concerns apply there too. Evidently some DEs (Plasma, Cinnamon)
focus on looks out of the box more than others.
On 2019-06-07 8:24 a.m., Adam Borowski wr
On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 10:52:43AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes:
>
> > There are two massive recent improvements:
> > * eatmydata helps a lot, and eating a power-lossed install is not a loss
>
> We did an experiment at work about four years ago with using eatmydata
> inside
Adam Borowski writes:
> There are two massive recent improvements:
> * eatmydata helps a lot, and eating a power-lossed install is not a loss
We did an experiment at work about four years ago with using eatmydata
inside a D-I run, and had to revert because we ran into no end of problems
with zer
Hi!
Package install times are quite nasty. For example, a full GUI install can
take[1] 1.5 hours on spinning rust, and several minutes even on raid0 of Optane
disks -- you can't get much faster without operating entirely in memory[2].
There are two massive recent improvements:
* eatmydata helps a
Adam Borowski writes:
> => Install gtk3-nocsd by default in all desktop tasks but Gnome. It's not
> perfect but it helps.
That's nice. Thanks for the tip. I enjoy nice tools like eog and
evince, but have always been annoyed by the missing window title and
associated window manager cont
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 6/5/19 4:08 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > This should be
> > completely independent from what one can do on salsa.
> > So I propose that whatever one's level within Debian is, it should not
> > change the status on salsa.
>
> I also find it surpr
And here's the URL for the crowdfunding:
https://www.catarse.me/debconf19
Hi all,
Since March we are running a local crowdfunding campaign to encourage
brazilians to help DebConf19 because donating to DebConf19, they feel
part of the Conference. We had a good experience doing this on the last
two minidebconfs. Now we translated it because maybe you would like to
join it
On Fri, 2019-06-07 at 17:24 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
>
> I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause
Have you tried Cinnamon, it's quite nice and not ugly nor unwieldy.
> * people tend to use computers with only limited lightin
This is about GUI appearance and ergonomy.
I'll concentrate at XFCE, as I consider GNOME3's UI a lost cause, thus I'd
find it hard to bring constructive arguments there.
I also hate with a passion so-called "UX designers". Those are folks who
created Windows 8's Metro tiles, lightgray-on-white "
On 6/5/19 4:08 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> This should be
> completely independent from what one can do on salsa.
> So I propose that whatever one's level within Debian is, it should not
> change the status on salsa.
I also find it surprising that the "feature" from Alioth that one has to
compl
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Bastian" == Bastian Blank writes:
>
> Bastian> Hi Sam
> Bastian> On Thu, Jun 06, 2019 at 11:57:41AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >> However, it's a lot easier to get a foo-guest account on salsa
> >> than it is to get a foo guest ac
On 6/6/2019 8:09 PM, Aron Xu wrote:
> Key interest in the thread is getting some insights about how to deal
> with the awkward situation that affects ZFS experience dramatically -
> Linux will remove those symbols in LTS kernel release, although
> in-kernel symbols are never promised to be stable.
On 6/6/2019 12:49 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Daniel Lange writes:
>
>> We have more people registered for DebConf ("the Debian Developers'
>> conference") with @gmail.com than @debian.org addresses.
>
> You can't fix @gmail.com. It is deliberately broken for commercial
> reasons, and that won't st
Le 07/06/2019 à 09:48, Mo Zhou a écrit :
> Hi Boyuan,
>
> On 2019-06-06 21:44, Boyuan Yang wrote:
>> I do remember there's still some source packages / binary packages in Debian
>> using the bzip2 format. If we are going to do that (which looks reasonable,
>> BTW), a serious archive-wide scan shou
Hi Boyuan,
On 2019-06-06 21:44, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> I do remember there's still some source packages / binary packages in Debian
> using the bzip2 format. If we are going to do that (which looks reasonable,
> BTW), a serious archive-wide scan should be made in advance to see how great
> the impac
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