Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Hi Bret! El viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2018 11:14:34 -03 psi...@gmail.com escribió: > Just chiming in here as package maintainer of an effected package, OpenMW > and also an upstream developer of said software, along with contributor to > OpenSceneGraph. > > Here are some related open bugs invol

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
El viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2018 09:23:29 -03 Dmitry Shachnev escribió: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 01:08:03PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > W dniu 23.11.2018 o 13:00, Dmitry Shachnev pisze: > > > I would still like to know if the upcoming arm64 desktop devices have > > > any problems worki

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Hi Wookey! El viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2018 12:26:49 -03 Wookey escribió: > On 2018-11-23 03:27 +0300, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > - Qt is tied to either Desktop or GLES: yes > > > > > > So we need to pick one. The question is then which one will benefit our > > > user

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
Andy: explicitly CCing you because I think it answers part of a question you did but in another part of the thread. El viernes, 23 de noviembre de 2018 06:58:13 -03 Steve McIntyre escribió: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:27:57AM +0300, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: [snip] > >Can you build two pack

Bug#914464: ITP: python-milksnake -- A setuptools/wheel/cffi extension to embed a binary data in wheels

2018-11-23 Thread Jelmer Vernooij
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jelmer Vernooij * Package name: python-milksnake Version : 0.1.5 Upstream Author : Armin Ronacher * URL : https://github.com/getsentry/milksnake * License : Apache Programming Lang: Python, Rust Description : A s

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
Hello Adam, On 23/11/2018 08:19, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:14:44PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 14:47 Uhr schrieb Stephan Seitz >> : >>> >>> On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: If there are actual issues encountere

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2018-11-21 at 10:23:46 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > with less confidence: > • making usrmerge Essential (large amount of effort, known issues) Oh dear, no, please! First off, as I've said in the past, I have no problem whatsoever with the concept, I think it brings both advantages

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Wookey
On 2018-11-23 03:27 +0300, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: > Hello, > > - Qt is tied to either Desktop or GLES: yes > > > > So we need to pick one. The question is then which one will benefit our > > users > > most. > > > > So far I personally know 0 people with an arm64 board with PCI slots, while

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:14:44PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 14:47 Uhr schrieb Stephan Seitz > : > > > > On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > >If there are actual issues encountered, we can always revert a change > > > > And how do you rev

Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Graham Inggs writes ("Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"): > On 2018/11/21 16:11, Bastian Blank wrote: > > I have not seen a real explanation why it needs to be this and exactly > > this way. This setup was explained as either > > - a workaround for a bug, > > - a way to

Re: [Pkg-julia-devel] julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-11-23 Thread Graham Inggs
Hi Bastian On 2018/11/21 16:11, Bastian Blank wrote: I have not seen a real explanation why it needs to be this and exactly this way. This setup was explained as either - a workaround for a bug, - a way to get stacktraces from users or - a way to make autopkgtest run. Stripping sys.so breaks

Bug#914443: usrmerge: run dry-mode first and only if this succeeds, do actual changes

2018-11-23 Thread Holger Levsen
package: usrmerge severity: wishlist x-debbugs-cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:28:37PM +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote: > > at the moment, the only issues that are known when installing the > > usrmerge package is when there are different binaries with the same > > name in

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:14:44 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: There are always unforseen issues to be expected when upgrading. And Of course, and since a dist-upgrade will bring newer software you may already have to fix configuration files. at the moment, the only issues that are known whe

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:14:44PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: For these cases though maybe the usrmerge script could ask the admin on what to do to handle these particular binaries, instead of failing. Maybe, as I suggested upthread, there could be a preview mode in which the admin could be

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:02:00 +0100, Hans wrote: Am Freitag, 23. November 2018, 14:47:28 CET schrieb Stephan Seitz: And how do you revert this change? As far as I have understand you can’t remove the usrmerge package and have your system in the old state again. Making an image of the whole h

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 14:47 Uhr schrieb Stephan Seitz : > > On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >If there are actual issues encountered, we can always revert a change > > And how do you revert this change? As far as I have understand you can’t > remove the usrmerge pa

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread psi29a
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Just chiming in here as package maintainer of an effected package, OpenMW and also an upstream developer of said software, along with contributor to OpenSceneGraph. Here are some related open bugs involving Qt and GLESv2 and arm*: https://bugs.debia

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 23. November 2018, 14:47:28 CET schrieb Stephan Seitz: > On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > And how do you revert this change? As far as I have understand you can’t > remove the usrmerge package and have your system in the old state again. Making an image

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: If there are actual issues encountered, we can always revert a change And how do you revert this change? As far as I have understand you can’t remove the usrmerge package and have your system in the old state again. As others in t

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 13:45 Uhr schrieb Ian Jackson : > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > > This is a much better summary of the thread, and I wish that you would > > have said this instead of claiming incorrectly that those same people are > > the ones advocating for a full mer

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On Fri, 2018-11-23 at 12:45 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > > This is a much better summary of the thread, and I wish that you would > > have said this instead of claiming incorrectly that those same people are > > the ones advocating for a full merge

Re: individual packages moving binaries from /bin to /usr/bin (was: Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: individual packages moving binaries from /bin to /usr/bin (was: Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)"): > I'm not sure yet what the best plan for merged /usr is. I would definitely > like to make sure it's at least possible to continue to use merged > /usr for special-purpose syste

Bug#914437: ITP: gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons -- desktop icon support for GNOME shell

2018-11-23 Thread Iain Lane
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Iain Lane * Package name: gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons Version : 18.11~rc1 Upstream Author : Carlos Soriano , Sergio Costas * URL : https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/ShellExtensions/desktop-icons * License : GPL-3+

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > This is a much better summary of the thread, and I wish that you would > have said this instead of claiming incorrectly that those same people are > the ones advocating for a full merge of all systems. Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 01:08:03PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > W dniu 23.11.2018 o 13:00, Dmitry Shachnev pisze: > > I would still like to know if the upcoming arm64 desktop devices have > > any problems working with OpenGL ES. > > Arm64 desktop systems use Radeon or NVidia cards with same o

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:25:51PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > > According to config_help.txt [1], Qt uses ES2 by default on Windows. > > It probably means that it will work fine with most desktop video cards. > > > > But as Lisandro says, such a change in Debian will break many packages > > (wh

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
W dniu 23.11.2018 o 13:00, Dmitry Shachnev pisze: > I would still like to know if the upcoming arm64 desktop devices have > any problems working with OpenGL ES. Arm64 desktop systems use Radeon or NVidia cards with same opensource drivers as x86-64 systems. So you can check how it goes with OpenGL

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 09:34:44AM +, Andy Simpkins wrote: > I do understand that there would be a lot of effort required to support OGL > and OGLES but as you have already pointed out "you are doing this already" > because OGL is provided for all platforms except armel & armhf which have > OGL

citadel packages

2018-11-23 Thread Michael Meskes
Hi all, is anyone still interested in the citadel packages? I stopped using them ages ago and finally ran out of time maintaining them. If anyone has interest and is willing to put a bit of time into them, be my guest. They are in a decent shape, but a new upstream version needs to get uploaded. I

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 06:01:14PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > I think a better question would be: Does it improve, or disable, decent > video support for the dozens of arm64 cards in the r-pi format, such as > the arm64 based $44 rock64? [...] As far as I know Raspberry Pi 3 and similar devices

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Julien Cristau
On 11/23/18 12:18 PM, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:05:27PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: >> At least mesa drivers can be used for desktop GL or GLESv2 just fine, >> AFAIK. Maybe the answer for Qt is to switch to GLESv2 for all >> architectures, to stop the special-casing madn

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:05:27PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > At least mesa drivers can be used for desktop GL or GLESv2 just fine, > AFAIK. Maybe the answer for Qt is to switch to GLESv2 for all > architectures, to stop the special-casing madness, instead of making it > spread? :) According

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : Granted, I don’t really know what the real world distribution of embedded and desktop/server/laptop devices of arm64 is. But I could imagine that there will be more arm64 devices in the future which are desktops, servers or laptops. There is e.g. this p

Re: individual packages moving binaries from /bin to /usr/bin (was: Re: usrmerge -- plan B?)

2018-11-23 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Quoting Holger Levsen : On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:11:24PM +0100, W. Martin Borgert wrote: Reminds me of the long /usr/doc -> /usr/share/doc transition in potato times. And we did not even have dh in those days. Sounds good to me! ITYM s#potato#slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch and lenny# (St

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 03:27:57AM +0300, Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov wrote: >Hello, >пт, 23 нояб. 2018 г. в 03:18, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer >: >> >> Hi! Please let me reply first to your last part: >> >> > Is there any possible way to support *BOTH* OpenGL / OpenGLES? Mutually >> > exclusi

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-23 Thread Andy Simpkins
On 23/11/2018 00:17, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Hi! Please let me reply first to your last part: Is there any possible way to support *BOTH* OpenGL / OpenGLES? Mutually exclusive from an install POV, but give the end user the choice which to install? Why should we have one A