Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, February 03, 2018 08:20:02 AM Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:17:14PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Friday, February 02, 2018 06:30:28 PM Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 01, 2

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:17:14PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Friday, February 02, 2018 06:30:28 PM Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 01, 2018 11:56:21 AM Paul Wise wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:14 A

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 01:48:52PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: >... > And we've all learned a lot more about secure coding in the past 20 years. >... Who is "we all"? I'd guess the majority of new packages in Debian were not written by people who have learned anything about secure coding. It is

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 01:25:14AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: I have only a limited amount of tuits. The package works fine for me, an Then don't remove it from your machine. Problem solved. Mike Stone

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 12:39:57AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:23:51AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > If it's orphaned+RC-buggy but it Works For Me™, it's good to stay, right? > > This doesn't compute. > > A package can be orphaned and still perfectly functional; a

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:23:51AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > If it's orphaned+RC-buggy but it Works For Me™, it's good to stay, right? This doesn't compute. A package can be orphaned and still perfectly functional; a package can be orphaned and RC-buggy. A package cannot, however, be RC-buggy

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On February 2, 2018 9:21:48 PM UTC, Don Armstrong wrote: >On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> So far, every time this comes up, there's no actual volunteer to >> invest the time to update the removals page to make this reasonable >to >> do in practice. > >Would the last-modified time

Bug#889166: ITP: sawtooth -- platform for distributed ledgers

2018-02-02 Thread Daniel Stender
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Daniel Stender * Package name: sawtooth Version : 1.0.1 Upstream Author : Shawn T. Amundson , Adam M. Ludvik * URL : https://github.com/hyperledger/sawtooth-core * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Python Descr

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Scott Kitterman wrote: > So far, every time this comes up, there's no actual volunteer to > invest the time to update the removals page to make this reasonable to > do in practice. Would the last-modified time from the BTS be sufficient and/or useful? [Or the reported time?]

Re: proposal: ITR (was Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?)

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 08:54:37AM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Thomas Goirand wrote... > > > We already have RFA, where maintainers are asking for adoption. I fail > > to see how a different type of bug will trigger a quicker adoption. An > > ITR is going to (unfortunately) achieve the exact s

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 06:44:36PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Example: > > Subject: RM: hello -- RoM; obsolete > Control: affects -1 src:hello > > For the few days or hours between the RM bug being filed and the > package actually being removed, this would show up at > https://bugs.debian.org/

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 06:39:32PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: Typically a removed package is not in a much worse shape when it got removed compared to when it was first shipped in a stable release.[1] At that point the actual question is why we did allow the package to be ITP'ed into Debian at al

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 02, 2018 06:44:36 PM Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 02:29:49AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:00:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Currently, RM bugs are filed against ftp.debian.org. > > > > > > It might make sense to have them f

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, February 02, 2018 06:30:28 PM Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Thursday, February 01, 2018 11:56:21 AM Paul Wise wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Andrej Shadura wrote: > > > > For example > > > > > > Here is another

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 02:29:49AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 12:00:58AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Currently, RM bugs are filed against ftp.debian.org. > > > > It might make sense to have them filed against ftp.debian.org *and* the > > package to be removed, inste

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:40:19PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: > > I think we should remove cruft more aggressively then we currently do. I think it would be bad to move even more to a revolving door situation where we are adding packages to a stable release only to remove them in the next stabl

Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?

2018-02-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:18:28PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, February 01, 2018 11:56:21 AM Paul Wise wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Andrej Shadura wrote: > > > For example > > > > Here is another example of a low-quality RM bug; removal at request of > > the maintain

Bug#889145: ITP: zdbsp -- node builder tool for Doom-style games

2018-02-02 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonathan Dowland * Package name: zdbsp Version : 1.19 Upstream Author : Marisa Heit * URL : https://github.com/rheit/zdbsp * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : node builder tool for Doom-style games

Re: Mass bug filing for the removal of freetype-config and freetype.m4

2018-02-02 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 at 11:07:42 +, Hugh McMaster wrote: > Freetype-config has been considered deprecated for several years [1]. By us, or by upstream? > With this in mind, I removed freetype-config and built all reverse > build-dependencies. I have also searched codesearch.debian.net for use

Re: Mass bug filing for the removal of freetype-config and freetype.m4

2018-02-02 Thread Hugh McMaster
On Friday, 2 February 2018 12:15 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > Will you be asking upstream to remove it too? I hadn't considered that, but it might be a good idea. Why do you ask?

Re: proposal: ITR (was Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?)

2018-02-02 Thread Gert Wollny
Am Freitag, den 02.02.2018, 09:32 +0100 schrieb Thomas Goirand: [...] > O: Package is unmaintained, hurry or the package is in danger to be > removed. I risk to differ, if this were so, we wouldn't have +700 packages that have the QA team as maintainer, and quite a few have a five or even six-fig

Re: proposal: ITR (was Re: Removing packages perhaps too aggressively?)

2018-02-02 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/02/2018 08:54 AM, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Thomas Goirand wrote... > >> We already have RFA, where maintainers are asking for adoption. I fail >> to see how a different type of bug will trigger a quicker adoption. An >> ITR is going to (unfortunately) achieve the exact same thing as an RFA,