]] Russell Stuart
> As for *.link files, syntactically they like all systemd stuff are a
> huge improvement on what came before them. But the old ugly udev rules
> have one thing over them - they provide hooks for scripts to cover
> cases they haven't thought of. Scripts seem to be an anathema
On 07/14/2017 08:01 PM, Russell Stuart wrote:
(b) Those who enter the debian device names manually into config
files, and have machines that network device names even though
no one armed with a screw driver has been near the thing.
These people would very much care. I was asking w
On 07/11/2017 03:08 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
I wonder if anyone actually uses /dev/disk/by-path?
It's useful for a quick "ls -l /dev/disk/by-path | grep 'sda$;" to
figure out which port a disk is plugged into. I'm sure there are other
ways, probably better ones... but that one is easy to rem
On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 18:31 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I didn't think anyone was claiming they would, so I'm not sure why
> you felt like it was necessary to say this.
It's the same reason you feel like it was necessary to say this, I
guess:
On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 09:11 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote
Russell Stuart writes:
> On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 09:11 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Right, I'm completely happy with the current behavior. I have no
>> objections to the change. I just also don't particularly care; I've
>> stopped using ifupdown and am using *.link units for network
>> configura
On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 09:11 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Right, I'm completely happy with the current behavior. I have no
> objections to the change. I just also don't particularly care; I've
> stopped using ifupdown and am using *.link units for network
> configuration, which makes all of this t
On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 11:20 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> MOST PCI/PCIe NICs indeed use "ethX", etc. But the naming scheme
> really is device driver-specific, and the "default" name used by a
> driver is considered part of the kernel stable ABI, and cannot be
> changed on the kernel
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Tom H wrote:
>> The classic naming scheme for network interfaces applied by the kernel
>> is to simply assign names beginning with "eth0", "eth1", ... to all
>> interfaces as they are probed by the driver
Vincent Bernat writes:
> ❦ 13 juillet 2017 13:55 -0700, Russ Allbery :
>> Yeah, we were using FAI, but I believe that's the basic mechanism we
>> were using and then found a way to use it to generate the udev rule to
>> do persistent naming.
> This is a perfect use case for the new udev. It wo
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Russell Stuart wrote:
>On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 21:00 +0530, shirish शिरà¥à¤· wrote:
>>
>> In short, this alone use-case answers Steve's original question which
>> was primarily are there any users who use or would use this tool or
>> his time would be better spent somewhere else. I think just
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Tom H wrote:
> > I've never seen the kernel vary the order it enumerates a PCI bus.
It doesn't, the last time it changed was on 2.4->2.6.
OTOH, *driver probe* ordering can and does change, especially when
device probes are being done in parallel. It is best to not get bus
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❦ 13 juillet 2017 13:55 -0700, Russ Allbery :
>>> The workaround was a bunch of bullshit in our install process to try to
>>> figure out which NIC got the DHCP response and then pin that one to
>>> eth0 for subsequent boots. (Which is basically what udev persistent
>>> naming did.)
>
>> At leas
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 6:14 AM, Russell Stuart
wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-07-13 at 05:20 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Stateless "/etc".
>>
>> Systems with multiple NICs where the order in which they're
>> recognized by the kernel can vary.
>
> I asked for a person.
You raised more than one point. I was
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