Re: Can we kill net-tools, please? (and this thread)

2016-12-30 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:13:54AM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > newsmas...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes ("(bogus mailing list message)"): > > In my opinion ip provides all the things you are mentioning - what are > > you missing? with -o as option the output is rather easy to parse. > > OK then, I

Re: Migration despite an RC bug?

2016-12-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Migration despite an RC bug?"): > I'm still not quite sure how the script was failing. The outer shell > invocation which calls a perl script to do the versioning database > update is run with set -e, and the perl script should exit with non-zero > if it fails to work pro

Re: Migration despite an RC bug?

2016-12-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote... > > > Unforunately, the BTS exported a broken/incomplete RC bug list, and britney > > used > > that and didn't see that some packages had an RC bug, so it allowed them to > > migrate. > > Ouch, that's quite a nightmar

Re: Migration despite an RC bug?

2016-12-30 Thread Bálint Réczey
Hi, 2016-12-30 12:53 GMT+01:00 Guillem Jover : > Hi! > > On Fri, 2016-12-30 at 09:25:20 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> On 29/12/16 23:36, Christoph Biedl wrote: >> > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote... >> >> Unforunately, the BTS exported a broken/incomplete RC bug list, and >> >> britney us

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Ian Jackson
newsmas...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes ("(bogus mailing list message)"): > In my opinion ip provides all the things you are mentioning - what are > you missing? with -o as option the output is rather easy to parse. OK then, I'll bite. I just got my `ip -o addr show' on my laptop to produce, amo

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?"): > I find ip's output hard to read. I have to take time to visually parse > it every time, I can't just skim it. The ip -o output seems parseable, > but no easily extensible (I'd prefer something like YAML instead). ip's output is certai

Re: Bug#849703: ITP: ansible-doc -- Documentation for Ansible

2016-12-30 Thread Evgeni Golov
Hi Toni, On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:58:02AM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Toni Mueller > > * Package name: ansible-doc > Version : 2.2.0.0-1 > Upstream Author : RedHat > * URL : http://www.ansible.com/ > * License :

Re: Allow mirroring new -dbgsym packages?

2016-12-30 Thread Carsten Otto
Hi Yang, On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 03:23:14PM +0800, Boyuan Yang wrote: > I am wondering if it is possible for a downstream mirror site to > mirror files in the debian-debug repository. [1] (of course, via rsync > not http) I searched the Internet but could not find any instruction > or explanation

Re: dput: Call for feedback: What should change? What should stay the same?

2016-12-30 Thread Tobias Frost
Am 28. Dezember 2016 05:31:39 MEZ, schrieb Ben Finney : >Howdy all, > >I recently donned the mantle of maintaining ‘dput’ and am carefully >making improvements. I am conscious of the special need for backward >compatibility so I am taking care to understand how the Debian >developer >community uses

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Bjørn Mork
Russell Stuart writes: > On Thu, 2016-12-29 at 11:38 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> It certainly doesn't provide a man page that doesn't start with a BNF >> syntax description.  The iproute2 documentation is awful. >> >> Also, this is not at all easy to parse: >> >> # ip -o address >> 1: loine

Re: compression support in kmod

2016-12-30 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:29:00 +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: >I volunteer as test subject for that experiment. I would appreciate even >small steps, considering the current laptop in front of me with average >magnetic HDD. Over a minute boot time, which is insane and IMHO mostly >caused by the storm of

Re: Migration despite an RC bug?

2016-12-30 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Fri, 2016-12-30 at 09:25:20 +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > On 29/12/16 23:36, Christoph Biedl wrote: > > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote... > >> Unforunately, the BTS exported a broken/incomplete RC bug list, and > >> britney used > >> that and didn't see that some packages had an RC

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Russell Stuart
On Fri, 2016-12-30 at 10:42 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > I bet the bash authors use that argument when they add another > > feature. In reality all code has a cost. > > The only additional cost is the cost to check if the routing entry is > a blackhole (while the check for anything else alrea

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Philip Hands
Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:09:35PM +, Wookey wrote: >> Yeah I think that mess is why I've never felt any need to move away >> from ifconfig. I ran ip something a few times, went 'huh?' at the cryptic >> output and stayed with the rather more civilised /sbin/ifconf

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:32 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > Do you really think that > > wlp3s0: flags=4163 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.** netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.** > inet6 fe80::** prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20 > ether e4:**:ca txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 30 décembre 2016 18:55 +1000, Russell Stuart  : >> When you need to decide how to route the packet, you need to do a >> route lookup. If the route entry you find happens to be a blackhole >> route, you drop the packet. You didn't do any additional work. > > I bet the bash authors use that argum

Re: compression support in kmod

2016-12-30 Thread Christian Seiler
On 12/29/2016 11:47 PM, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Eduard Bloch wrote... > >> I volunteer as test subject for that experiment. I would appreciate even >> small steps, considering the current laptop in front of me with average >> magnetic HDD. Over a minute boot time, which is insane and IMHO mostly

Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?

2016-12-30 Thread Russell Stuart
On Fri, 2016-12-30 at 07:51 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: > The same work is not repeated over and over again. The kernel keeps > the needed information in a structure to avoid parsing the packet > several times. Yes, it does indeed keep the offset of the headers for the various protocol layers (li

Re: Specification of FTP upload queue management commands

2016-12-30 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 29/12/16 20:49, Ben Finney wrote: > Afif Elghraoui writes: > >> Hi, Ben, > > Thanks for the feedback. One specific suggestion appears to already have > a bug report; I'm redirecting this sub-thread there. > >> على الثلاثاء 27 كانون الأول 2016 ‫20:31، كتب Ben Finney: >>> The ‘dput-ng’ package

Re: Migration despite an RC bug?

2016-12-30 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 29/12/16 23:36, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote... > >> Unforunately, the BTS exported a broken/incomplete RC bug list, and britney >> used >> that and didn't see that some packages had an RC bug, so it allowed them to >> migrate. > > Ouch, that's quite a nightmare. Whi