Re: DEP-11 Metadata updates

2016-09-15 Thread Pirate Praveen
On 2016, സെപ്റ്റംബർ 16 10:02:30 AM IST, Paul Wise wrote: >The archive doesn't yet produce pdiffs for the DEP-11 Metadata, >so a bug report against ftp.debian.org is the way to go. Done. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837975 -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Plea

Re: DEP-11 Metadata updates

2016-09-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Probably best to file a wishlist bug against apt. The archive doesn't yet produce pdiffs for the DEP-11 Metadata, so a bug report against ftp.debian.org is the way to go. Also, some if it isn't text (icons) so those might need some new mecha

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-15 Thread Ben Finney
"Jeremy T. Bouse" writes: > I'll start off by saying I haven't read the whole thread and only > caught this because of the subject line change. I direct you to Russ's message in this thread that explains exactly why “customer” is a misleading term for the relationship being discussed, and:

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-15 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 9/15/2016 10:19 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2016-09-15 at 22:03, Ben Finney wrote: > >> The Wanderer writes: >> >>> On 2016-09-15 at 21:26, Wookey wrote: >>> I reckon a lot of us would be happier if you [Russ] (and Abou) used the term 'users', rather than 'customers'. I know I think

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-09-15 at 22:03, Ben Finney wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 2016-09-15 at 21:26, Wookey wrote: >> >>> I reckon a lot of us would be happier if you [Russ] (and Abou) >>> used the term 'users', rather than 'customers'. I know I think >>> that being a customer involves payment. >> >>

Debian does not have customers (was: Bug#837606: general: system freeze)

2016-09-15 Thread Ben Finney
The Wanderer writes: > On 2016-09-15 at 21:26, Wookey wrote: > > > I reckon a lot of us would be happier if you [Russ] (and Abou) used > > the term 'users', rather than 'customers'. I know I think that being > > a customer involves payment. > > That was exactly my point: that although many people

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-09-15 at 21:26, Wookey wrote: > On 2016-09-15 18:04 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > >> Debian is delightfully different. We care about market share of >> *volunteers*, but we don't have to care (and indeed, I personally >> don't care at all) about market share of *customers*. > > Well put

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Wookey
On 2016-09-15 18:04 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Debian is delightfully different. We care about market share of > *volunteers*, but we don't have to care (and indeed, I personally don't > care at all) about market share of *customers*. Well put, but I reckon a lot of us would be happier if you

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > On 2016-09-15 at 16:17, gregor herrmann wrote: >> Debian can't lose customers because we have no customers because we're >> not selling anything. > This is a terminology difference. It isn't for me. For me, this is a very foundational and freeing concept. Debian is not

Work-needing packages report for Sep 16, 2016

2016-09-15 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 929 (new: 6) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 144 (new: 1) Total number of packages request

Re: Adding version constraints in dependencies to avoid bugs

2016-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Santiago Vila writes: > I was the one who asked for these build-depends to become versioned. > My rationale for that is in policy when it says that "it must be > possible to build the package when the build-dependencies are met". > If this is not the case it may be argued that the source packag

Re: Adding version constraints in dependencies to avoid bugs

2016-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > Someone is insisting that I should set the minimum version of > python-openssl in my packages, just to avoid the bug of pyopenssl. I > replied that if we were to do so in Debian, the work would be > exponential, and that this is not what we should do: the bug in > pyopens

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-09-15 at 16:17, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:58:03 +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: >> We don't care to loose customers because of an issue faced by >> someone, > > Debian can't lose customers because we have no customers because > we're not selling anything. This is a

Re: Adding version constraints in dependencies to avoid bugs

2016-09-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 06:04:54PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > I think it would be simpler and more correct for python-cryptography to > declare a breaks relationship with python-openssl, e.g. (in the binary > control > stanza for python-cryptography): > > Breaks: python-openssl (<< FIRST_

Re: DEP-11 Metadata updates

2016-09-15 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Pirate, On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 01:54:27PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote: > I have noticed DEP-11 Metadata gets downloaded in full every time I run > an apt-get update? Does it change so often? Can this be changed to > download only the diffs like other index files? Probably best to file a wi

Re: Adding version constraints in dependencies to avoid bugs

2016-09-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:50:33 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Recently, the upload python-cryptography broke pyopenssl, and pyopenssl > had to be upgraded to support the new python-cryptography (I don't have > the exact details, but it doesn't mater much here...). > > Someo

Adding version constraints in dependencies to avoid bugs

2016-09-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi everyone, Recently, the upload python-cryptography broke pyopenssl, and pyopenssl had to be upgraded to support the new python-cryptography (I don't have the exact details, but it doesn't mater much here...). Someone is insisting that I should set the minimum version of python-openssl in my pa

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-15 Thread Helge Deller
Hi Matthias, On 10.09.2016 00:48, Matthias Klose wrote: > While the Debian Release team has some citation about the quality of the > toolchain on their status page, it is not one of the release criteria > documented > by the release team. I'd like to document the status how I do understand it >

Bug#837953: ITP: dh-r -- Debhelper support for R packages

2016-09-15 Thread Gordon Ball
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gordon Ball * Package name: dh-r Version : 20160901 Upstream Author : Gordon Ball * URL : https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-science/packages/dh-r.git * License : MIT Programming Lang: Perl, R Description : D

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:58:03 +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > In my case, when I get such a report for my package, I start instructing the > user to gather more information. Right, me too. But "general" is not a package but a catchall category where mails get distributed to thousands of subscrib

Re: Exception for shipping shared libraries compiled with -fPIC for multiple packages

2016-09-15 Thread Raoul Borenius
Hello all, On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:02:02AM +0200, Balint Reczey wrote: > Dear People of Debian-Devel, > > Current Policy (3.9.8.0) mandates discussion on debian-devel@d.o > before changing packages to ship static libraries compiled with -fPIC: > > --- > 10.2 Libraries > ... (paragraph about s

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > I suspect that he feels that closing a bug report without having first > tried to address it equals pretending that the problem reported in the > bug report does not exist, and thus, represents an attempt to hide the > fact that the problem does exist. Okay. Well, I think

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Abou Al Montacir
Thanks The Wanderer, You explained it better that I can ever do! It is a perception problem at the first plane. --  Cheers, Abou Al Montacir On Thu, 2016-09-15 at 13:39 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2016-09-15 at 13:24, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > > > Abou Al Montacir writes: > > >  > > >

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-09-15 at 13:24, Russ Allbery wrote: > Abou Al Montacir writes: > >> Does improve distribution means hiding issues? I don't think it >> is. > > You keep using this term, but I have no idea what you mean by it. > What information do you feel like we're hiding? I suspect that he feels tha

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Abou Al Montacir writes: > Does improve distribution means hiding issues? I don't think it is. You keep using this term, but I have no idea what you mean by it. What information do you feel like we're hiding? Maybe you feel like closing a bug is always wrong unless the problem is fully resolve

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 12:51 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Abou Al Montacir writes: > > > Because you think people will not be frustrated if they experience a bug > > and that we prevent them to raise bugs? Hiding reality is always > > bad?. Look at the original reporter last message. He seems q

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Abou Al Montacir
Hi Joël, On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 15:38 +0200, Joël Krähemann wrote: > Hi > > reproducing the critical parts in a unit test would be helpful > > Something like in the attachment. > > install dependencies: > > apt-get install libcunit1-dev > > Compile with > > gcc -g -o mutex_fail_test mutex_fail

Bug#837921: ITP: emacs-deferred -- simple asynchronous functions and higher level library for concurrent tasks

2016-09-15 Thread Lev Lamberov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lev Lamberov * Package name: emacs-deferred Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Masashi Sakurai * URL : https://github.com/kiwanami/emacs-deferred * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Emacs Lisp Description : simpl

Bug#837913: ITP: qubes-utils -- Common Qubes utils for dom0 and VMs

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-utils Upstream Author : Marek Marczykowski * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-linux-utils.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C / several Description : Common Qubes utils for d

Bug#837910: ITP: qubes-gui-daemon -- Qubes GUI daemon

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-gui-daemon Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-gui-daemon.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C Description : Qubes GUI daemon Qubes OS is a

Bug#837908: ITP: qubes-gui-common -- Common files for Qubes GUI - protocol headers

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-gui-common * Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska Rafal Wojtczuk Marek Marczykowski * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-gui-common.git * License : GPL

Bug#837906: ITP: qubes-gui-agent -- Qubes GUI Agent for VMs

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-gui-agent Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-gui-agent-linux.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C Description : Qubes GUI Agent for VMs Qub

Bug#837905: ITP: libvchan-xen-qubes -- Qubes vchan libraries

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: libvchan-xen-qubes Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska Rafal Wojtczuk Marek Marczykowski * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-core-vchan-xen.git * License

Bug#837903: ITP: qubes-db -- Qubes OS database and tools

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-db Upstream Author : Marek Marczykowski * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-core-qubesdb.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C Description : Qubes OS database and tools Qubes O

Bug#837902: ITP: qubes-core-agent -- The Qubes core files for VMs

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-core-agent Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska Rafal Wojtczuk * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-core-agent-linux.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: several D

Bug#837900: ITP: qubes-core-admin-linux -- Linux-specific files for Qubes dom0

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-core-admin-linux Upstream Author : Marek Marczykowski * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-core-admin-linux.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: several Description : Linux-speci

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 14, Felipe Sateler wrote: > I agree that merging /usr is a good thing to do. We should default to > that, and at some point force the merge somehow (via the usrmerge package? To be fair, I have implemented this as a switch only because I expected that somebody would have complained about

Re: Support for merged-/usr now in debootstrap; default for stretch?

2016-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 15, Adam Borowski wrote: > I think it would be worthwhile to split up and move parts of /var as well. This is out of scope for this thread, so please let's discuss your proposals at a different time. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Bug#837896: ITP: qubes-core-admin -- The Qubes core files (Dom0-side)

2016-09-15 Thread Holger Levsen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Holger Levsen * Package name: qubes-core-admin Upstream Author : Joanna Rutkowska Rafal Wojtczuk * URL : https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-core-admin.git * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: Python Descript

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2016-09-15 10:10:23 +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > That is very similar to the issue I'm experiencing. However I can > reproduce this 100% when opening a page on linkedIn using epiphany > browser. Then I think that you should give strace information + system logs. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web:

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 09:05:50AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:01:15PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:00:46PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > >a) more friendly > > > > Please check the facts. The "initial email" which started this > > P

Bug#837891: ITP: elpa-ctable -- table component for Emacs Lisp

2016-09-15 Thread Lev Lamberov
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lev Lamberov * Package name: elpa-ctable Version : 0.1.2 Upstream Author : Masashi Sakurai * URL : https://github.com/kiwanami/emacs-ctable * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: Emacs Lisp Description : table comp

DEP-11 Metadata updates

2016-09-15 Thread Pirate Praveen
Hi, I have noticed DEP-11 Metadata gets downloaded in full every time I run an apt-get update? Does it change so often? Can this be changed to download only the diffs like other index files? Get:6 http://debian.sil.at/debian sid/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [2,873 kB] 0% [6 Components-amd64 1,579 k

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread Abou Al Montacir
Hi Adam, On Thu, 2016-09-15 at 04:07 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Even quite experienced people may have a hard time investigating a "system > > freeze". > > > > It just happens that I had two today; the system was working reliably before > > with no unexplained crashes[1] at least in kernell

Bug#837888: ITP: libhpptools -- various C++ header tools

2016-09-15 Thread Andreas Tille
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Tille * Package name: libhpptools Version : 1.1.1 Upstream Author : Matei David * URL : https://github.com/mateidavid/hpptools/ * License : expat Programming Lang: C++ Description : various C++ header too

Bug#837884: ITP: python-tmdbsimple -- Wrapper for The Movie Database API

2016-09-15 Thread Michael Fladischer
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Fladischer -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 * Package name: python-tmdbsimple Version : 1.4.0 Upstream Author : Celia Oakley * URL : https://github.com/celiao/tmdbsimple/ * License : GPL-3+ Prog

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:01:15PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 01:00:46PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > >a) more friendly > > Please check the facts. The "initial email" which started this Please do s/initial email/first email read by the majority of readers/ T