Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:42:12PM -0800, Britton Kerin wrote: > Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, > and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately > I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm. > > No combination of nmcli ifconf

Re: trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Britton Kerin wrote: > Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, > and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Please ask about this on a Debian user support channel: https://www.debian.org/support -- bye, pabs https://wik

trying to use wireless not from gnome... what's the incantation?

2016-05-22 Thread Britton Kerin
Got a new laptop after 10 years of excellent stable ancient debian, and my wireless works from gnome, and only from gnome. Unfortunately I find that gnome3 is not for me. I've been trying dwm. No combination of nmcli ifconfig iw ip rfkill unblock wpa_supplicant /etc/network/interfaces etc. that

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Guus Sliepen writes: > Hm, I did not expect that, but according to codesearch.debian.net you > are right. I'm actually stunned by the amount of programs that do > something like: > struct protoent *pe = getprotobyname("TCP"); > int s = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, pe->p_proto); > ...whe

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Christian Seiler
On 05/22/2016 07:31 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: > I've tried to condense this and the other message on the other thread > to extend the dpkg-buildflags(1) man page. Great, thanks! > Attached the patch I'm intending to apply. Let me know if you have > other suggestions, improvements, wording tweaks,

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Sun, 2016-05-22 at 10:41:56 +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: [… useful overview …] I've tried to condense this and the other message on the other thread to extend the dpkg-buildflags(1) man page. Attached the patch I'm intending to apply. Let me know if you have other suggestions, improvemen

Re: Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 6 release

2016-05-22 Thread Jude DaShiell
Unless some compeling reason exists not to do it, could wireless-tools and iw get added to the isos? I don't know why iwconfig continues to be on this type of debian when iw was supposed to have replaced it and is supposedly more harmonious with modern kernels. I tried configuring my wifi con

Bug#825025: ITP: libtins3 -- packet crafting and sniffing library

2016-05-22 Thread Federico Ceratto
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Federico Ceratto * Package name: libtins3 Version : 3.4 Upstream Author : Matias Fontanini * URL : https://libtins.github.io/ * License : BSD-2 Programming Lang: C++ Description : packet crafting and sniffing libr

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 22, "Iain R. Learmonth" wrote: > What is the upstream source for the /etc/services file? Do we just I am... > maintain that in Debian or are updates incorporated from IANA and > unofficial port numbers? I do not use the official IANA list because it is huge and full of entries of questio

Re: Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 6 release

2016-05-22 Thread Nick Gawronski
Hi, One thing that would be nice to add in the next version of the debian-installer is brief descriptions of what tasks do for example in the alpha 6 screen select and install software lots of selections exists and as some are very good by their names like DebianMultimedia other ones are not so

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2016-05-22 Christian Seiler wrote: [extensive explanation] > Therefore, I would recommend to use at least -fPIE for static > libraries, and possibly -fPIC if you think they might be used > in other dynamic libraries. > Hope that helps. Yes it does. Thanks for taking the time to explain this.

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi, On 22/05/16 10:00, Niko Tyni wrote: > Well, getservbyname(3) is used by 945 packages according to > codesearch.debian.net, and getprotobyname(3) by 551 packages. > Those use /etc/services and /etc/protocols by default AFAIK. > Doesn't seem that seldom to me? I'm probably doing it wrong, but I

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:38:27AM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: > Hm, I did not expect that, but according to codesearch.debian.net you > are right. I'm actually stunned by the amount of programs that do > something like: > > struct protoent *pe = getprotobyname("TCP"); > int s = socket(AF_

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:00:37PM +0300, Niko Tyni wrote: > > About the description of the netbase package though: it currently only > > contains for text files in /etc that are seldomly used. For fun I just > > purged netbase, and it doesn't really break anything. I wouldn't call it > > "necessa

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Christian Seiler
On 05/22/2016 10:50 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 10:41:56AM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: >>=> however, -fPIC code is again slightly slower and >> larger than -fPIE code. > Really? I thought the idea is the same in both modes. Ok, thinking about it ag

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:01:05PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: > About the description of the netbase package though: it currently only > contains for text files in /etc that are seldomly used. For fun I just > purged netbase, and it doesn't really break anything. I wouldn't call it > "necessary in

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 10:41:56AM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote: >=> however, -fPIC code is again slightly slower and > larger than -fPIE code. Really? I thought the idea is the same in both modes. > So in the end in boils down to the following: > > A. From a hardening perspec

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Christian Seiler
On 05/22/2016 08:48 AM, Andreas Metzler wrote: > https://lintian.debian.org/tags/hardening-no-pie.html says "It is > unlikely to work when compiling static libraries or executables (gcc > -static)." For static libraries, it really depends on what you want to do with them. A static library is just

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:23:59PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:48:19AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > https://lintian.debian.org/tags/hardening-no-pie.html says "It is > > unlikely to work when compiling static libraries or executables (gcc > > -static)." > > >

Re: PIE and static libraries

2016-05-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 08:48:19AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > https://lintian.debian.org/tags/hardening-no-pie.html says "It is > unlikely to work when compiling static libraries or executables (gcc > -static)." > > However e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening does not mention this > proble