Paul Wise writes:
> I would encourage this approach: [not using memorable
> computer-generated passphrases at all]
Thanks for the recommendation; I don't agree it is suitable for the
majority of Debian users.
I'm working on the assumption – reasonable, I think – that generation of
strong memora
* Simon McVittie [141110 00:55]:
> On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote:
> >>> On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely.
> >>
> >> This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is
> >> ultimately done by a local user. So the audio grou
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> This is only temporary, as we transition to uncrackable brain–computer
> interfaces for every device.
I'm not looking forward to the denial-of-service attacks that could introduce :)
> Until that future arrives for every device, I'd like peop
+++ Wookey [2014-11-01 14:19 +]:
> +++ Marc Glisse [2014-11-01 11:45 +0100]:
> > Hello,
> >
> > sorry for the naive question, but is there a plan for massively
> > rebuilding all "Multi-Arch: same" packages that have inconsistent
> > version numbers across architectures before releasing Jessie
Paul Wise writes:
> Why are we still using passphrases at all?
This is only temporary, as we transition to uncrackable brain–computer
interfaces for every device.
Until that future arrives for every device, I'd like people who use
those remaining services still requiring passphrases, to have to
Good afternoon,
This message comes on the heels of Sam Hartman's wonderful plea for
compassion [1] and the sad news of Joey Hess's resignation from Debian [2].
I no longer frequently post to this list, but when you've been a Debian
developer for 18 years, and still care deeply about the community
Why are we still using passphrases at all?
--
bye,
pabs
https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
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+++ Marc Glisse [2014-11-01 11:45 +0100]:
>
> A few random packages that currently have an inconsistent version:
> zlib1g (+b1 on ppc64el)
examining this I notice that whilst this page on p.d.o:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/zlib1g
shows the issue, and so does this buildd one (for unstable)
Hi,
Quoting Ralf Treinen (2014-11-09 18:05:15)
> But this does only one co-installability check at a time, right ?
correct, this makes your solution the better choice.
> Anyway, the script is very simple (attached).
Nifty! I didn't know that dose-debcheck can read from stdin!
> The raw result
On 09/11/14 23:34, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote:
>>> On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely.
>>
>> This usually happens via UPnP or similar, though - the actual audio is
>> ultimately done by a local user. So the audio group is unrelated to this
>> usecase.
>
> It v
Simon McVittie writes:
> Does [xkcdpass] have significant advantages over pwqgen, in the
> passwdqc package?
Significant advantages:
* ‘xkcdpass’ provides an implementation of a much-discussed scheme for
strong passphrase generation. (Which is not to say the results are
stronger than all ot
* Ralf Jung [141109 17:02]:
> Hi,
>
> > On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely.
> > These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school
> > settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press
> > some buttons on their phone to
* Jonathan Dowland [141109 21:04]:
> In other words, plymouth installed but no 'splash' argument to the boot
> results in no change; adding 'splash' results in plymouth being activated
> albeit in text mode
That is my observation, yes.
> (so no modechange?)
Not by the default plymouth setup; th
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 22:38 +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
> I can completely understand why we (and that includes me) want systemd
> as a default: it gives the best possible integration of desktop
> components possible.
I even think it's best on a server (that means, if it was used as it
could be)..
On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
see shy jo :(
Richard
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On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 18:12 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> I've left[1]
+
>Almost.
So you still could (and perhaps should[0]) reconsider not to leave
Debian.
Guess you've read the lists and saw how many people were emotionally hit
and upset about this.
(well I think it's worth a try ^^)
Cheers,
Ch
* Don Armstrong (d...@debian.org) [141109 22:22]:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > (After repetition of the exact wording of the "We aren't convinced"
> > wording that ended up passing, and people pointing out that it *will* be
> > interpreted as TC opposition to the switch, which su
Michael Gilbert wrote:
> How can you possibly think no more need said? You are one of four
> complicit in the act that finally pushed Joey over the edge [0].
>
> [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00045.html
Please take that message with a pound of salt. I was upset when I wrote
[Please CC me on replies.]
Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > (After repetition of the exact wording of the "We aren't convinced"
> > wording that ended up passing, and people pointing out that it *will* be
> > interpreted as TC opposition to the switch, which sur
2014-11-10 0:38 GMT+03:00 Simon Richter :
> automake
With autotools one can always use plain shell code in configure.ac and
plain make in Makefile.am ;-)
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On 09.11.2014 04:57, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> In the end it's quite easy: sysvinit has many deficiencies ans
> missing feature, systemd is superior in all places.
- From your perspective.
I can completely understand why we (and that in
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, Josh Triplett wrote:
> (After repetition of the exact wording of the "We aren't convinced"
> wording that ended up passing, and people pointing out that it *will* be
> interpreted as TC opposition to the switch, which sure enough it did...)
The "we are currently skeptical" wor
[CCed to a wider audience, but reply-to and mail-followup-to set to
avoid a prolonged cross-list thread.]
Sune Vuorela wrote:
> I have a hard time assuming good faith from people who are at war.
>
> /Sune
>
> [17:35:34]
> http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2014/debian-ctte.2014-10-30-17.00.lo
On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 05:19:40PM +0100, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote:
> Nothing in a default install currently Depends or Recommends
> plymouth, so don't worry about getting a graphical splash screen or
> anything. Anyway, if you were to install plymouth, the default
> "theme" is *text*.
In othe
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 08:20:29PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I thought Zlatan's message was beautiful, and it really touched me, and I
> wanted to say that. It may have been better if I'd said that in private.
No, such public appreciation messages are a pleasure to read. Please do not
refrain
Quoting Neil Williams (2014-11-09 19:53:38)
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 19:04:42 +0100
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
>> Quoting Adrian Knoth (2014-11-09 10:48:58)
>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
>>>
- jessie freeze happens in 2 months
>>>
>>> Happened in the meanti
* Colin Watson [141106 16:32]:
> In principle this makes sense; I'm just a bit nervous about this at this
> point, and changing this will cause a ucf prompt for large numbers of
> people, so I want to get it right first time. CCing debian-devel; does
> anyone know of reasons why adding "splash" t
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 19:04:42 +0100
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Adrian Knoth (2014-11-09 10:48:58)
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
> >
> >> - jessie freeze happens in 2 months
> >
> > Happened in the meantime :-/
> >
> >> 2014/8/4 - Adrian updated the pack
On 2014-11-09 18:19, Adam Borowski wrote:
And since changing the init system on
existing installations is an important _technical_ problem, it is in
scope
for the CTTE.
Where does the constitution make "important technical problems" in scope
for the tech committee? (Not being awkward, but th
On 2014-11-09 9:23, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. According to Neil
McGovern, the code name shall be "zurg".
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00905.html
While that was in no way official, at the time it kindof struck a
chord,
s
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 09:59:08PM +0100, Richard Hartmann wrote:
> Can you put this list, and a count, in a place I can wget from?
You've trimmed all context so I'm not entirely clear if you're looking
for the key list or something else. If it's the key list you should be
able to calculate it you
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:54:39PM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralf Jung wrote:
> > I read Joey's message over and over without getting any more clues. He
> > said the CTTE has "Decided it should make a decision", which it seems to
> > me it did not. So I probab
Hi,
A reminder for anyone using schroot to update their chroots. Most
people will be running dash in the chroot, but if you're running
bash you may be vulnerable. Please do update all your chroots.
By default, schroot will filter the environment, but if you
preserve the user environment with "-p
Hi,
Osamu Aoki:
> I thought usually this type of announcement comes with next release
> name.
>
> I was going to update web site (later) and debian-reference package (in
> November) in proper timing. Did I miss some announcement?
>
See the debian-devel archives from mid-Fenruary 2014. Accordin
Quoting Adrian Knoth (2014-11-09 10:48:58)
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
>
>> - jessie freeze happens in 2 months
>
> Happened in the meantime :-/
>
>> 2014/8/4 - Adrian updated the package to 3.1.3
>> adi's package (currently @ 3.1.3):
>> https://github.com/adik
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Ralf Jung wrote:
> I read Joey's message over and over without getting any more clues. He
> said the CTTE has "Decided it should make a decision", which it seems to
> me it did not. So I probably misunderstood something more fundamental here.
Read all of #762194 ve
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 05:18:10PM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
>
> Ah okay! Somehow I misunderstood your initial email that you wanted to say:
>
> Depends: foo:i386, foo:amd64, ..., bar:i386, bar:amd64,...
>
> But instead you just want...
>
> Depends: foo:i386, foo:amd64, ...
>
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:55:03PM +0100, Bálint Réczey wrote:
> >> 2014/8/4 - Adrian updated the package to 3.1.3
> >> adi's package (currently @ 3.1.3):
> >> https://github.com/adiknoth/netatalk-debian
[..]
> > I'd say get some devs behind this, call the package netatalk3 and ship
> > it in para
Hi,
Quoting Ralf Treinen (2014-11-09 15:58:15)
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:41:24AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Dpkg and apt allow this just fine. Try to do:
> >
> > apt-get install --simulate gcc-4.9-arm-linux-gnueabihf
> >
> > And you will end up with a number of armhf packages on your
Hi,
> On the other hand, it would break typical uses of using sound remotely.
> These days, shared computers are almost unheard of save for some school
> settings -- while loads of people have some raspi mediacenter or press
> some buttons on their phone to control sound coming from the big comput
Excerpts from Simon McVittie's message of 2014-11-09 06:48:46 -0800:
> On 09/11/14 14:25, Clint Byrum wrote:
> > With that, I have to remember that Nobody is capitalized, and that the
> > spaces are replaced by $ and 5. The other approach accepts that we are
> > forgetful and so uses spaces. But it
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 02:33:54PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 09/11/14 13:53, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user
> > group in Debian
>
> As far as I know, nobody yet. Marco was expressing what he thinks should
> happen in future, no
Hi,
On 09/11/14 07:28, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>> On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>>> No accusation, just a statement of fact. Four ctte members were
>>> complicit in the vote [0]
>>
>> Well maybe I read t
Hi Josch,
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 06:41:24AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quoting Ralf Treinen (2014-11-07 17:35:06)
> > It just appeared to me that we probably do not have a syntax to pinpoint a
> > package built for a specific architecture. "We" meaning in this case dpkg,
> > apt, a
On 09/11/14 14:25, Clint Byrum wrote:
> With that, I have to remember that Nobody is capitalized, and that the
> spaces are replaced by $ and 5. The other approach accepts that we are
> forgetful and so uses spaces. But it also has the weakness that if the
> approach and the separators are suspecte
On 09/11/14 13:53, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user
> group in Debian
As far as I know, nobody yet. Marco was expressing what he thinks should
happen in future, not what has happened already. I agree with his
opinion on this.
> and when y
Excerpts from Simon McVittie's message of 2014-11-09 05:25:46 -0800:
> On 09/11/14 08:21, Ben Finney wrote:
> > * Package name: xkcdpass
> ...
> > A flexible and scriptable password generator which generates strong
> > passphrases, inspired by XKCD 936:
>
> Does this have significa
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014, at 02:58 AM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 27, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
> > Ok, so you are for removing audio group from user default groups?
> Eventually, yes.
>
So, who determined that audio group will not be used as a default user
group in Debian, and when you say eventual
On 8 November 2014 17:05, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> On Sat, November 8, 2014 17:09, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
>> We had hoped to be down to a small number of special cases to deal with
>> by this point, but with the numbers still looking this bad we're not
>> yet at a stage where we can work out app
On 09/11/14 08:21, Ben Finney wrote:
> * Package name: xkcdpass
...
> A flexible and scriptable password generator which generates strong
> passphrases, inspired by XKCD 936:
Does this have significant advantages over pwqgen, in the passwdqc package?
How many bits of entropy does
Le samedi 08 novembre 2014 à 23:30 -0500, Michael Gilbert a écrit :
> No, the fire is not systemd, it is the politicization of the project
> via ctte and GR rather than patient evolution of the best technical
> solution.
You are definitely right. However, I think we would all appreciate if
you co
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:32:37 +
"Adam D. Barratt" wrote:
> > jessie without netatalk3 would be embarrassing at best,
>
> Well, as you noted, we've frozen. And there are no netatalk packages
> in the archive _anywhere_. So Jessie won't have them.
s/netatalk/netatalk3/ ?
netatalk 2.2.5 is in
On 11/08/2014 at 10:57 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> In the end it's quite easy: sysvinit has many deficiencies ans
> missing feature, systemd is superior in all places.
On 11/09/2014 at 12:01 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> All of these systems were capable of booting a Linux,...
On 2014-11-09 12:32, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
On 2014-11-09 9:48, Adrian Knoth wrote:
[...]
jessie without netatalk3 would be embarrassing at best,
Well, as you noted, we've frozen. And there are no netatalk packages
in the archive _anywhere_. So Jessie won't have them.
Pretend I didn't lose
On 2014-11-09 9:48, Adrian Knoth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
- jessie freeze happens in 2 months
Happened in the meantime :-/
[...]
I'd say get some devs behind this, call the package netatalk3 and ship
it in parallel. I had it running for months,
Hi Adrian,
2014-11-09 10:48 GMT+01:00 Adrian Knoth :
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
>
>> - jessie freeze happens in 2 months
>
> Happened in the meantime :-/
>
>> 2014/8/4 - Adrian updated the package to 3.1.3
>> adi's package (currently @ 3.1.3):
>> https://gith
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:48:58AM +0100, Adrian Knoth wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
>
> > - jessie freeze happens in 2 months
>
> Happened in the meantime :-/
Well, what is the point in CCing -devel then? If you were trying to set
a roadmap for jessie
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 01:21:04PM -0400, Igor Bernstein wrote:
> - jessie freeze happens in 2 months
Happened in the meantime :-/
> 2014/8/4 - Adrian updated the package to 3.1.3
> adi's package (currently @ 3.1.3):
> https://github.com/adiknoth/netatalk-debian
JFTR, I'm at 3.1.6.
The whole
On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 12:39:41PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> On Freitag, 7. November 2014, Ralf Treinen wrote:
> > The issue of architecture=all packages that
> > are not installable on some architecture can IMHO not be solved with
> > our current setup which makes architectures=
Sad news. I wish you all the best for your future endeavours. I hope
to cross paths with you from time to time (maybe I should tidy up my
half finished ikiwiki patches!)
The coincidental timing of Colin leaving the tech-ctte did make me
wonder how different things would be if we could have coerced
Good evening everybody,
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 06:11:45PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 07/11/14 16:15, Ralf Treinen wrote:
> > There is only one package in the "each" category, and this is a false
> > positive due to multiarch: lib32nss-mdns, which exists only on amd64
> > (this is why it shows up in the each catego
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ben Finney
* Package name: xkcdpass
Version : 1.2.2
Upstream Author : Steven Tobin
* URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/xkcdpass/
* License : BSD-3
Programming Lang: Python
Description : secure passphrase generat
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