On 08/08/2014 09:07 AM, Axel Wagner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
>> By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in
>> gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
>> discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start anoth
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:46:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Cyril Brulebois writes:
>
> > I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably
> > through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade.
>
> It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is to create
Russ Allbery (2014-08-08):
> Cyril Brulebois writes:
>
> > I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably
> > through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade.
>
> It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is to create
> the /usr/lib/gcc//4.9.1 symlink
I found the fix to the problem. I ran the command..
$ find /dev -group video
Apparently this loads the kernel driver. I am not sure what this means to
be honest. This fixes all of the graphics issues after coming out of
suspend. Would you know where commands can be placed to be ran when coming
ou
Cyril Brulebois writes:
> I'd therefore contact the relevant maintainers to make sure, probably
> through a bug report asking for a priority downgrade.
It looks like the only remaining purpose for gcc-4.9-base is to create the
/usr/lib/gcc//4.9.1 symlink?
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Theodore Ts'o (2014-08-08):
>
> Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages
> have the priority required? And what are they used for?
>
> I'm fine-tuning a small kvm appliance (kvm-xfstests, as it happens), and
> I'm trying to keep the root file system as small as poss
Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages
have the priority required? And what are they used for?
I'm fine-tuning a small kvm appliance (kvm-xfstests, as it happens), and
I'm trying to keep the root file system as small as possible. It
appears that I can dpkg --purge
On 20140808_1050-0700, Andrew Kelley wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
> wrote:
>
> > On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > > I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in
> > > supporting this kind of situations could build CD imag
On Sat, 2014-08-09 at 00:49 +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
[...]
> > 8. In general it does not appear that other Debian packages require
> > the libjpeg8 API. The sole exception appears to be a "decode from
> > memory buffer" interface (jpeg_mem_src/jpeg_mem_dest), which is
> > implemen
Hi.
Only going to reply to some of the misinformation provided in the post
from Reinhard Tartler
(https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00160.html)
For the background: I am the de-facto maintainer of the MythTV's FFmpeg fork.
> To the best of my knowledge, there are only two high-pro
On Aug 08, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Got bored. Made this: http://www.halon.org.uk/simplechooser/
Great work, thank you. I hope that it can be part of the solution.
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On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:29:26PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a GNOME
> even if GNOME was unable to fit on a single image? 2) Would the GNOME
> team consider a less-complete DE for cases where image size is a
> restriction?
How ha
On 08/08/2014 01:50 PM, Andrew Kelley wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>>> I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in
>>> supporting this kind of situations could build CD images a
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> of the third world can continue using a modern desktop as usual.
As if lxde, xfce, mate is not modern? Only Gnome3? Come down from your horse.
Norbert
PREINING, Norbert
Le Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 06:50:40PM +0200, Lorenzo Bandieri a écrit :
>
> In my own PCs most of the time I have Arch Linux installed, and I use
> Gnome 3 as my DE of choice since its first release. However, when I
> have to install a GNU/Linux distro in a system I do not directly
> control (i.e. my
El vie, 8 de ago 2014 a las 9:00 , Marco d'Itri escribió:
On Aug 08, Joey Hess wrote:
I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in
rural
Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were
I am sure that we could have a great competition for finding
po
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 07:24:29PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> The technical committee was asked in #717076 to decide whether
> libjpeg8 or libjpeg-turbo would be the default libjpeg implementation.
> The decision is below:
Dear CTTE,
I am concerned that the rationale for this decision contains
Quoting Matthias Urlichs (2014-08-08 21:22:38)
> Alessio Treglia:
>> We've spent a lot of time over the past months talking to upstreams,
>> forwarding them our patches and make sure their programs and
>> libraries work with libav.
>> We've spent ***months*** in making the whole thing work, and d
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 10:34:29PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
> > > is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
> > > reasons.
> >
> > One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on th
Hi,
I don't know if it's wise to include that by default, but I remember
that today, MATE is quite accessible. Not perfet, yes, but slight,
customizable, and with Compiz which can run on it with all its features.
Gnome is heavy for some machines and much less customizable in colours,
objects
Hi,
Alessio Treglia:
> We've spent a lot of time over the past months talking to upstreams,
> forwarding them our patches and make sure their programs and libraries
> work with libav.
> We've spent ***months*** in making the whole thing work, and dropping
> libav in favour of FFmpeg at this point,
Hi Reinhard,
On 08.08.2014 14:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
I intended to come up with a more timely full response, but I just
didn't get to it so far.
Thanks for explaining your point of view here.
For now, please refer to http://lwn.ne
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
wrote:
> On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in
> > supporting this kind of situations could build CD images appropriate for
> > them, and everybody else who does
On 08/08/2014 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 08, Joey Hess wrote:
>
>> I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural
>> Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were
> I am sure that we could have a great competition for finding potential
>
* Olav Vitters (o...@vitters.nl) [140808 19:12]:
> [ support for init systems bedside systemd ]
> There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes
> support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back. Such was
> discussed and clarified. One of the questions that was voted
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 05:05:37PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:41:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
> > > functionality, telling it
❦ 8 août 2014 18:02 +0100, Neil McGovern :
>> I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was
>> happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and
>> neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better
>> default... becau
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:15:17PM +0400, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I was
> happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small, classic and
> neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is a better
>
2014-08-07 23:57 GMT+02:00 Jordi Mallach :
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
>
> Well, it's roughly th
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Hi,
Michael Gilbert writes:
> The default has no bearing whatsoever on whether well-connected users
> can or can't install one of the shiny desktops if they so choose.
The default has no bearing whatsoever on whether un-connected users can
or can't install one of the more minimal desktops, if th
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> If the xfce iso didn't exist, people in these situtations would
>> not be able to install a usable Debian system.
> I see a solution that would satisfy everybody: whoever is interested in
> supporting this kind of situations could build CD ima
On Aug 08, Joey Hess wrote:
> I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural
> Brazil. Internet bandwidth was nearly nonexistant[1], so if you were
I am sure that we could have a great competition for finding potential
users with even crappier connectivity and even more o
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Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> I actually think having no default desktop would be just fine, instead
> having the current 3-4 desktop installation media. Then anyone can pick
> the DE she likes.
I recently spent some time installing community computer labs in rural
Brazil. Internet bandwidth was near
Hello,
On 8 August 2014 16:41, Olav Vitters wrote:
> IMO, seems easier to recompile software not working with new UPower
> without UPower support, if possible. But that's obviously not my
> decision, I just want to highlight the extra work a default desktop
> incurs. I do hope that XFCE as defaul
+++ Joerg Desch [2014-08-08 05:38 +]:
> Today I've read about Debians Multiarch capabilities for the first time.
> Is it possible to use this technique to build deb packages of libraries
> for the mingw crosscompile toolchain too?
In principle, yes. In practice right now, no. Stephen Kitt ha
Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-08-08 16:19:28)
> Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
>> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>>
>> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> [...]
>> Need to get 370 MB of archiv
Today I've read about Debians Multiarch capabilities for the first time.
Is it possible to use this technique to build deb packages of libraries
for the mingw crosscompile toolchain too?
I have to build Windows executables and therefore need some libraries.
For now, I build and install them loc
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:41:13PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
> > functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea
> > that's neither good
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 04:19:42PM +0200, Axel Wagner wrote:
> that just my anecdotal evidence. As is my suspicion, that the vast
> majority of people who actually chose GNOME for it's technical merrits
> over XFCE are not people who will ever be participating in really *any*
> flamewar, as they ar
+++ Reinhard Tartler [2014-08-08 08:29 -0400]:
> To the best of my knowledge, there are only two high-profile projects
> that play hardball to require FFmpeg: Mplayer and mythtv. Neither of
> those do that (again to the best of my knowledge) mainly because of
> technical but rather very political
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:59:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
> functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea
> that's neither good nor acceptable.
I see you want to start a discussion about systemd?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:56:50PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hmm, pre-warning if there are no fixes is not enough.
>
> Let me ask you - why is libpng still holding back so many other things?
> Because not all png deps are converted. And we are speaking about years.
>
> And just for practi
On 8 August 2014 13:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Andreas Cadhalpun:
>>> Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It
>>> has been removed from sid, since it fails to build against Libav, but it
>
Gunnar Wolf writes ("Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> And yes, many such computers are currently in use. And it would be a
> disservice not to provide CDs anymore. But that criteria should not be
> what guides our default for installation; a CD might not be able to
> have th
Hi,
Norbert Preining writes:
> Disagree. His statement is very clear. I guess everyone who has
> followed the development of G3 is well aware of the - let's say -
> disagreements that have poped up continuously.
I have. I am. The term "not neutral" is very ill-chosen for "they made
choices some
Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :
> The following is on a wheezy chroot:
>
> root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> [...]
> Need to get 370 MB of archives. After unpacking 1099 MB will be used.
>
> root@ba
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-08 15:51:13)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:26:20PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers
>> are capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing
>> and maintaining a larger desktop versus a
Hi,
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> That leaves the question of the "official" opinion of the libav
> maintainers (pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org).
> Did none of them write anything in "defense" of libav, or have I simply
> missed it?
>
> IMHO the be
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Adam Borowski wrote:
> If I understand right, new upower basically throws away most of its
> functionality, telling its users to use systemd instead. That's an idea
> that's neither good nor acceptable.
>
> So reverting to a fully functional version of upower for jessie would
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Olav Vitters wrote:
> For such a change, 6-9 months of pre-warning should be enough. It would
> be way better if projects held back until all affected software changed
> (or maybe ensure affected software makes the changes). However, not very
> realistic (only so much time plus
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:42:48AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong
> > interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading
> > without making sure not
Quoting Reinhard Tartler (2014-08-08 14:29:59)
> For now, please refer to http://lwn.net/Articles/607662/,
> http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=370 (rather old, but still true), and
> http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=674 (recent update on that matter)
>
> Regarding Marco's argument that libav had few f
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, Axel Wagner wrote:
> > By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in
> > gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
> > discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another
> > flame war :)
>
> If you don't
On both servers and desktops, I've been a Debian user since Sarge. I
use Debian not only because of its strong technical merits, but because
of the strong sense of ethics the project has always had.
A fork that tries to forcibly steal the name and infrastructure from
the original project while
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35)
> Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
>>> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
>>> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>>
>> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
>> But
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
> By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in
> gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
> discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another
> flame war :)
If you don't want to discuss you
Jordi Mallach, le Thu 07 Aug 2014 23:57:33 +0200, a écrit :
> Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that
> provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen.
Just to poll on the accessibility side: do we prefer gnome 3.12 over
xfce?
(note that we are t
Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
> > ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> > CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>
> You may visit some poorer people in the world.
> But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they ju
Can you qualify that statement? Especially the "neutral" part, it is
not
obvious to me how a DE can be, or not be "neutral".
By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in
gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also
discuss it here, just beca
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andreas Cadhalpun:
>> Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It
>> has been removed from sid, since it fails to build against Libav, but it
>> builds fine against FFmpeg.
>> (It uses some of the fe
Hi,
vita...@yourcmc.ru writes:
> I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
> was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
> classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't.
Can you qualify that statement? Especially the "neutral" pa
On 08/08/2014 08:31, Michael Gilbert wrote:
Here's a really interesting view showing the downward trend starting
somewhere in April [0]. Note that the xfce trend was consistently
growing prior to and past January (when the default was changed), but
slowed a lot in April. At the same time, gnome
On Aug 08, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> IMHO the best idea at this point would be to toss out libav, and rebuild
> the rdeps with ffmpeg. Now, before it's too late for jessie.
Agreed. The interested parties should really raise this with the CTTE
ASAP.
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On Friday 08 August 2014 15:15:17 vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
> was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
> classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is
> a bette
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 12:41:09AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Jordi Mallach wrote:
> > Downstream health
> >
> > Upstream health
> >
> > Community
> >
> > Security
> >
> > Privacy
> >
> > Documentation
>
> I don't think these are very useful criteria, unless they lead to
> actual technical iss
Hi,
I'm not a Debian developer, just a Debian user, and I want to say that I
was happy to see XFCE being the default DE. Just because it's small,
classic and neutral DE - which GNOME 3 definitely isn't. I think XFCE is
a better default... because I think it's not that uncommon for people to
r
Hi,
Andreas Cadhalpun:
> Once FFmpeg is back in the archive, it'll be easy to reintroduce MPlayer. It
> has been removed from sid, since it fails to build against Libav, but it
> builds fine against FFmpeg.
> (It uses some of the features only provided by FFmpeg.)
>
Yet another reason why solely
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 03:39:44PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Of course, this dire situation has come upon us due to the strong
> interleaving of Gnome and Systemd and upower maintainers, uploading
> without making sure not to break the rest of the infrastructure.
In the original email it wa
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 01:48:55AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Incidentially, I don't much appreciate the counterproductive sniping
> that Jordi added in his blog post about this. Perhaps you're not aware,
> Jordi, but switching to xfce was discussed at last DebConf. It was not
> done "announced in a
On jeu., 2014-08-07 at 23:57 +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
About the decision itself, as Debian Xfce main maintainer, I honestly
don't really care. I don't think the default desktop matters that much
on Debian (while I guess it means a lot for Ubuntu, for example). I
actually think havi
On 08/08/14 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014, Jordi Mallach wrote:
>> Well, it's roughly that time. :) So I'd like to plainly request GNOME
>> is reinstated as the default desktop environment for a number of
>> reasons.
>
> One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was s
Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 05:34:29)
>> One of the reasons put forward for switching to Xfce was size on the
>> installation images; could you (and/or debian-cd) address this?
>>
>> Specifically: 1) Would you want the default CD/DVD image to use a
>> GNOME even if GNOME was unable to fit on
* Gunnar Wolf wrote:
>
> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are
> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
You may visit some poorer people in the world.
But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake.
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> Jordi Mallach wrote:
>> jessie's GNOME 3.x release should be a lot more polished than what we shipped
>> with wheezy, which means many of the rough edges and annoyances people may
>> have found when upgrading from squeeze are probably now ironed out.
>
> It's still basically fu
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> Accessibility: GNOME continues to be the only free desktop environment that
> provides full accessibility coverage, right from login screen. While it’s true
> GNOME 3.0 was lacking in many areas, and GNOME 3.4 (which we shipped in
> wheezy)
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