Re: Bug#755382: ITP: fonts-adobe-sourcehansans-cn -- “Source Han Sans CN” A sans-serif Pan-CJK font family (CN subset) that is offered in seven weights

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > I would be happy to be proven wrong on this; feel free to package it > for main if fontforge can take the place of all the commands mentioned > in the upstream build system. The way to prove that would be to only > ship the non-OTF files in the

Re: Bug#755382: ITP: fonts-adobe-sourcehansans-cn -- “Source Han Sans CN” A sans-serif Pan-CJK font family (CN subset) that is offered in seven weights

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 6:09 AM, James Cloos wrote: >> "PW" == Paul Wise writes: > >>> * Package name: fonts-adobe-sourcehansans-cn > > PW> Due to the need for Adobe's ADFKO, this will have to go to contrib. > PW> IIRC ADFKO will become open source at some point and the font could > PW> m

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that >> systemd is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is >> wrong, at least for two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd an

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Cameron Norman
El Tue, 22 de Jul 2014 a las 4:39 PM, Vincent Lefevre escribió: On 2014-07-23 01:24:53 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2014-07-22 22:54:55 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me t

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:58:32AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that > systemd > is mandatory in Debian now. Which - as you also said - is wrong, at least for > two reasons: a.) it's logind, not systemd and b.) only desktops are

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Steve, thanks for the technical details, much appreciated. On Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: > There was nothing in Julian's message which was a rant, so I don't think > this response is called for. Well, the subject (and also the body) conveyed the wrong message, that system

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-23 02:05:26 +0200, Arno Töll wrote: > On 23.07.2014 01:19, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > BTW, I'm wondering whether the fact that "invoke.rc-d apache2 restart" > > fails should make the postinst script fail and affect the whole upgrade. > > It does actually as we fixed #716921 a while back

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 01:26:47AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv.

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 00:08 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:51:16AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > Forward this to the debian CTTE, please! > > Thanks for the suggestion, Svante! I've just reread > https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte and it does not yet seem > approp

Re: all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen writes: > On Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014, Julian Gilbey wrote: >> For me, this is a killer, as I still do not know how to solve the >> problem I asked a while back on debian-user >> (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01286.html): in >> summary, I need to unlock an encrypte

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Arno Töll
On 23.07.2014 01:19, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > BTW, I'm wondering whether the fact that "invoke.rc-d apache2 restart" > fails should make the postinst script fail and affect the whole upgrade. It does actually as we fixed #716921 a while back. > If the goal is to make the user notice that Apache d

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
Norbert Preining writes: > [ IMPORTANT - COC DISCLAIMER - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ BEFORE > CONTINUING ] Writing a disclaimer doesn't exempt you from the Code of conduct in Debian forums. Please don't violate it again. -- \ “It's up to the masses to distribute [music] however they want |

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Julian Gilbey: > I need to unlock an encrypted filesystem during boot time by > asking for a password to feed into encfs. But I cannot figure out how > to do this under systemd. > "encfs --extpass=systemd-ask-password" ? -- -- Matthias Urlichs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-re

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-23 01:24:53 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-07-22 22:54:55 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Arno Töll
On 23.07.2014 01:19, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: > Possible radical solution: abandon old apache binary package names > [of those that ship conffiles], introduce a new set of names, > Conflict/Break (but not Replace?) the old ones and have all modules > depend on the new packages. > 3rdparty modu

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:08:04AM +0100, Julian Gilbey a écrit : > > Anyway, I would still love to know how to write a systemd script which > pauses to accept input from the keyboard before continuing. Hi Julian, I suggest to ask this question on pkg-systemd-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org

all modern desktops need systemd, either send patches or life with it (Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, (as this thread has already attracted two "interesting replies", I'll try again to convey the message which has not been heard yet... I don't have high hopes this thread won't become a flamefest, but I want to at least try to kill the flames before they explode...) (And if you know systemd

Disclaimers (was: Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing)

2014-07-22 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Norbert Preining [140723 01:09]: > [ IMPORTANT - COC DISCLAIMER - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ BEFORE CONTINUING ] > This email is the personal opinion of its author. > As we are not allowed to criticize due to the newly installed > Code of Conduct, you are required to pre- or postfix *every* senten

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-22 22:54:55 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why is that? > Well, because the new version of libpam-systemd,

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 22, Julian Gilbey wrote: > So I would presume that for many or most Debian systems, systemd is > now required, and no other /sbin/init providers will work. I'm > unclear whether this was a deliberate policy decision or an unintended > consequence of various package requirements. It is a c

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:54:55PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why is that? > Well, because the new version of libp

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Julian Gilbey [140723 00:36]: > For me, this is a killer, as I still do not know how to solve the > problem I asked a while back on debian-user > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01286.html): in > summary, I need to unlock an encrypted filesystem during boot time by > asking for

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-23 01:19:01 +0200, Christian Hofstaedtler wrote: > * Arno Töll [140722 22:10]: > > On 21.07.2014 20:58, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > Yes, and a consequence of this loss is that dpkg fails. > > > > dpkg does not at all fail. If anything dpkg errors out because Apache's > > maintainer sc

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:51:16AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > Forward this to the debian CTTE, please! Thanks for the suggestion, Svante! I've just reread https://www.debian.org/devel/tech-ctte and it does not yet seem appropriate for the CTTE; there has not yet been any discussion with the r

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Christian Hofstaedtler
* Arno Töll [140722 22:10]: > On 21.07.2014 20:58, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > Yes, and a consequence of this loss is that dpkg fails. > > > > dpkg does not at all fail. If anything dpkg errors out because Apache's > maintainer script failed, because "invoke.rc-d apache2 restart" failed, >

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-07-22 22:10:07 +0200, Arno Töll wrote: > On 21.07.2014 20:58, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Yes, and a consequence of this loss is that dpkg fails. > > dpkg does not at all fail. If anything dpkg errors out because Apache's > maintainer script failed, because "invoke.rc-d apache2 restart" fai

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Svante Signell
Forward this to the debian CTTE, please! On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 22:54 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why is that? > We

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi Julian, long time no see! [ IMPORTANT - COC DISCLAIMER - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ BEFORE CONTINUING ] This email is the personal opinion of its author. As we are not allowed to criticize due to the newly installed Code of Conduct, you are required to pre- or postfix *every* sentence in the fol

systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Julian Gilbey
I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why is that? Well, because the new version of libpam-systemd, 208-6, now depends on systemd-sysv rather than systemd-sysv

Re: Bug#755382: ITP: fonts-adobe-sourcehansans-cn -- “Source Han Sans CN” A sans-serif Pan-CJK font family (CN subset) that is offered in seven weights

2014-07-22 Thread James Cloos
> "PW" == Paul Wise writes: >> * Package name: fonts-adobe-sourcehansans-cn PW> Due to the need for Adobe's ADFKO, this will have to go to contrib. PW> IIRC ADFKO will become open source at some point and the font could PW> move to main then. AFAICT, fontforge has enough capability to c

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-22 Thread Arno Töll
On 21.07.2014 20:58, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Yes, and a consequence of this loss is that dpkg fails. > dpkg does not at all fail. If anything dpkg errors out because Apache's maintainer script failed, because "invoke.rc-d apache2 restart" failed, because ... you guess it, somebody removed the

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > In the above package the description reads:- > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform kernel for > Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6. > > Reading the list of DTB files it includes, this list is rat

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:18:29 +0100 David Goodenough wrote: > In the above package the description reads:- > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform > kernel for Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6. > > Reading the list of DTB files it includes, this list is ra

Re: How to build-depend on a C++11-capable compiler?

2014-07-22 Thread Matthias Klose
Am 21.07.2014 14:31, schrieb Mathieu Malaterre: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Thibaut Paumard wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The new release of my package Gyoto should be built preferably with a >> C++11-capable compiler. It can be built with a reduced feature-set >> without, though. >> >> Is there a c

linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-22 Thread David Goodenough
In the above package the description reads:- The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform kernel for Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6. Reading the list of DTB files it includes, this list is rather out of date. Now (hopefully) this list will grow with most new kern

Re: How Debian should handle users requests?

2014-07-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Abou, On Montag, 21. Juli 2014, Abou Al Montacir wrote: > > oh, wow, how do you want to deal with those? What do you do if these > > users don't follow up? > There is always a risk that a user make a mistake, but these questions > can only reduce the noise and increase the SNR on this comm chan

Re: Debconf - how to run a packaging workshop

2014-07-22 Thread Matthew Vernon
Dominic Hargreaves writes: > I've agreed to give a one day Debian packaging workshop at $dayjob aimed at > sysadmins and developers, and I'd be interested in hearing from those who > have already run similar sessions to get advice/tips for how to approach > such a thing. Would there be any intere

Re: How Debian should handle users requests?

2014-07-22 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: >> The main goal of all this is to make Debian more user friendly. > > You dont make Debian more user friendly by creating a support forum which will > not be used... there is d-u@l.d.o and there is "ask debian" (forgot the url) > too. http:/

Bug#755676: marked as done (general: Intermittent failure to mount partition [after hibernate?] with message "Transport endpoint is not connected")

2014-07-22 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:49:07 +0200 with message-id <201407221249.08846.hol...@layer-acht.org> and subject line Re: Bug#755676: general: Intermittent failure to mount partition [after hibernate?] with message "Transport endpoint is not connected" has caused the Debian Bug report #75

Re: Bug#755676: general: Intermittent failure to mount partition [after hibernate?] with message "Transport endpoint is not connected"

2014-07-22 Thread Simon McVittie
On 22/07/14 10:58, Paul G Taylor wrote: > The /dev/sda2, NTSF formatted partition, is shared between RoboLinux, Windows > XP and Windows XP virtualised in VirtualBox. Not necessarily related to the error you reported (which I have no idea about) but you should never allow VirtualBox to have raw f

Bug#755676: general: Intermittent failure to mount partition [after hibernate?] with message "Transport endpoint is not connected"

2014-07-22 Thread Paul G Taylor
Package: general Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I have set up my sister's PC, which was running Windows XP, with RoboLinux, a derivative of Debian Wheezy **@robolinux:~$ cat /etc/*release PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)" NAME="Debian GNU/Linux" VERSION_ID="7" VERSION="7 (wheezy

Re: How to build-depend on a C++11-capable compiler?

2014-07-22 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 21/07/2014 23:19, Gert Wollny a écrit : >> Last time I asked: >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/09/msg00335.html >> >> It was prefered to provide a C++98 ABI compatible library for the time >> being. If you start providing a C++11 ABI library people will not be >> able to mix symb