On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:44:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> My most recent experience with PulseAudio came when I noticed that WoW
> (run through Wine) was producing crackling, stuttering sound again; this
> was during the late months before the wheezy release.
>
> I tried half-a-dozen things,
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On 16 July 2013 19:39, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:38:18PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>> On 16 July 2013 17:07, Roger Leigh wrote:
>> > Once the rootfs is mounted, we parse $root/etc/fstab and mount /usr
>> > using that information. When init starts, /usr is therefore
>>
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* Thomas Goirand:
> On 07/15/2013 04:32 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> And now people who want to stick with buggy shell scripts instead of
>> migrating to a much simpler, declarative mechanism.
>
> Please point at a single person on any threads about init systems over
> the last year who wishes t
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:38:18PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> Imho the overhead between having just "/etc" vs "/" encrypted is
> small, if "/var", "/usr", "/home", "/opt" are separate mountpoints.
> Thus to me, treating "/etc" separately is a misfeature, considering a
> mounted "/" assumes /e
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:28:28AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > - we can't fsck /usr when mounted, so this needs doing in the
> > initramfs (/ and /usr are fscked, with the appropriate
> > helpers copied into the initramfs)
>
>
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:25:42AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > - using the same infrastructure, it's also possible to
> > mount /etc in the initramfs so that you can have e.g. a
> > separately encrypted /etc filesystem. This i
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:38:18PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> On 16 July 2013 17:07, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > Once the rootfs is mounted, we parse $root/etc/fstab and mount /usr
> > using that information. When init starts, /usr is therefore
> > available from the beginning. Note that the ob
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:37:09PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > > I don't think that we agreed on merging /usr at all. I have written
> > > some patches for initramfs-tools to pe
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> - using the same infrastructure, it's also possible to
> mount /etc in the initramfs so that you can have e.g. a
> separately encrypted /etc filesystem. This is a separate
> feature though and can be split out.
This reflects poo
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> On 15/07/13 at 21:39 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
> Is there a way to list services installed on my system that are managed
> via service files, vs those that are managed using legacy init scripts?
> I'm thinking of something like rc-
On 16 July 2013 17:07, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:37:09PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>
>> > I don't think that we agreed on merging /usr at all. I have written
>> > some patches for initramfs-tools to permit fsck and mount
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:37:09PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> > I don't think that we agreed on merging /usr at all. I have written
> > some patches for initramfs-tools to permit fsck and mount of /usr
> > in the initramfs in addition to the
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On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> I don't think that we agreed on merging /usr at all. I have written
> some patches for initramfs-tools to permit fsck and mount of /usr
> in the initramfs in addition to the rootfs, but that's as far as this
> has gone. There's no merging he
On 16/07/13 at 15:33 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> thanks for your input!
>
> Am 16.07.2013 14:50, schrieb Lucas Nussbaum:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 15/07/13 at 21:39 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am sorry for starting yet another thread on systemd, but we feel thi
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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 07:18:31PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> > Why has this taken so long?
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602034#62
> And no one raised this to tech-ctte.
And this has been done now: #717076
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On 16/07/13 13:50, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Is there a way to list services installed on my system that are managed
> via service files, vs those that are managed using legacy init scripts?
If your pid 1 is systemd, "systemctl list-units | grep LSB:" should be
either the correct list or pretty clos
Hi Lucas,
thanks for your input!
Am 16.07.2013 14:50, schrieb Lucas Nussbaum:
> Hi,
>
> On 15/07/13 at 21:39 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am sorry for starting yet another thread on systemd, but we feel this
>> particular post is important and should spread as widely as possib
Hi,
On 15/07/13 at 21:39 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am sorry for starting yet another thread on systemd, but we feel this
> particular post is important and should spread as widely as possible
> (i.e. beyond just readers of planet debian):
>
> http://people.debian.org/~stapelbe
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On 07/16/2013 05:36 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> However, I denied that there's a big controversy going on on this list! :)
Everybody understood: of course, there's a heated debate.
Thomas
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On Jul 16, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
> There are ways to express this without calling anyone "idiots". Or
> do you believe that Debian is incapable of making solid technical
> decisions without namecalling?
We may consider it as character evidence.
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On 07/16/2013 04:30 PM, Gergely Nagy wrote:
> Thomas Goirand writes:
>
>> If OpenRC goes up to the shape I expect, it will have a huge advantage
>> over systemd and Upstart: it will not be controversial,
>
> If it would not be controversial, we wouldn't have this conversation
> about whether it
Thomas Goirand writes:
> If OpenRC goes up to the shape I expect, it will have a huge advantage
> over systemd and Upstart: it will not be controversial,
If it would not be controversial, we wouldn't have this conversation
about whether it is worth it at all. Just saying.
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 14:25:59 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > will this bug get fixed in wheezy?
> >
> > More people are starting to complain they get libapache2-mod-php5filter
> > installed: #709027
> >
> > I am still have
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