0hi,
2013/6/6 Chow Loong Jin :
> On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Did I miss anything?
>>
>> I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
>> opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while
hi,
2013/6/6 Thomas Goirand :
> On 06/06/2013 03:15 AM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>> It is that hard, to build a dialog and ask for a desktop?
>
> I don't think it would be that hard, though nobody did it. You know that
> Debian is driven by volunteers only, right? So if you really want
> something to h
On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
> [...]
>> Did I miss anything?
>
> I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
> opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at
> it... or am I showing my
On 05-06-13 18:30, Michael Tautschnig wrote:
>> I also like it, somewhat, but am also aware of this approach rendering
>> unstable more stable than testing. I would prefer another kind of punishment
>> for neglect / some difficulty than the mere removal.
>
> In what way exactly would this effort e
On 06/06/2013 03:15 AM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> It is that hard, to build a dialog and ask for a desktop?
I don't think it would be that hard, though nobody did it. You know that
Debian is driven by volunteers only, right? So if you really want
something to happen, the best way is to do it. We are a
Hi,
I have updated texmacs package today and saw that many
type1 fonts contained in texmacs-common got error messages
"font-adobe-copyrighted-fragment" by lintian.
I remembered that there were discussions about proprietry
code of adobe in Nov. 2012 but don't understand the conclusion.
So I'd li
Quoting Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org):
> udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
> with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All packages
> need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be banned! No one
> should ever be allowed to NMU
Paul Wise writes:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
>> I'm open to suggestions, what do you need help with?
> There is never any shortage of RC bugs:
> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
> http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi
Help porting Apache modules to Apache 2.4 woul
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
> I'm open to suggestions, what do you need help with?
There is never any shortage of RC bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi
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On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 03:02:35PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Did I miss anything?
We should seriously start looking at replacing gcc with clang in
build-essential in case we run out of flamewars.
Michael
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Am Mittwoch, den 05.06.2013, 15:02 -0700 schrieb Russ Allbery:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
> > Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
> > Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
> > desktop for jessie?
>
> Because we weren't having enoug
On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
[...]
> Did I miss anything?
I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at
it... or am I showing my age?
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On 5 June 2013 23:42, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Russ Allbery , 2013-06-05, 15:02:
>
>> udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
>> with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All packages
>> need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be banne
* Russ Allbery , 2013-06-05, 15:02:
udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All
packages need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be
banned! No one should ever be allowed to NMU anything
On 5 June 2013 23:02, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
>> Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
>> Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
>> desktop for jessie?
>
> Because we weren't having enough fun with systemd vs. up
Svante Signell writes:
> On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 15:02 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> No one should ever be allowed to NMU anything ever if the maintainer
>> says no!
> Sorry, I decided not to answer, but I cannot resist this one. It seems
> overly restrictive. Are you serious, what would be the pu
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 15:02 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
> No one
> should ever be allowed to NMU anything ever if the maintainer says no!
Sorry, I decided not to answer, but I cannot resist this one. It seems
overly restrictive. Are you serious, what would be the purpose
Am Mittwoch, den 05.06.2013, 21:10 +0200 schrieb Anton Gladky:
> Dear all,
>
> I have a proposal to give a permission to all DDs to restart builds on
> failing archs e.g. execute "gb-command".
>
> I think, most of developers are clever enough to define, whether the
> built failed "accidentally" a
Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Lucas Nussbaum (05/06/2013):
>> Or, we could investigate whether one or the other could be made
>> official?
>
> I guess Raphael and/or DSA would be happy to receive help, possibly on
> the “make it production-ready” front (matching DSA's expectations,
> etc.). But I'm no
Svante Signell writes:
> Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
> Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
> desktop for jessie?
Because we weren't having enough fun with systemd vs. upstart and the MTA
discussion. :) Maybe if we can s
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 23:52 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 05.06.2013 23:47, schrieb Svante Signell:
> > On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
> >> Hi,
...
> Svante, it's nice that you have an opinion on each and everything. But
> maybe it would be more productive to talk less an
Am 05.06.2013 23:47, schrieb Svante Signell:
> On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>> Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so
>>> "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a
>>> dialog
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> > Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so
> > "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a
> > dialog and ask for a desktop? You have the choice, but
Le Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:15:14PM +0200, "Steffen Möller" a écrit :
>
> > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:37:54AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > Le Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 02:06:26PM +0200, Niels Thykier a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Our automated tools for finding RC buggy leaf packages in testing have
[...]
> > clang.debian.net lists 39 instances of these, though I think the buildd
> > is a bit behind so there are probably a few more.
>
> At least one more of the 432 "Not categorized" is also due to this
> missing feature in clang (reprepro). As clang seems to gives quite
> misleading error mes
Hi,
On 04-06-13 14:06, Niels Thykier wrote:
> [1] We normally filter out certain type of RC bugs (incl. but not
> limited to license issues), where we consider it unreasonable to demand
> a resolution within the usual deadline (i.e. 14 days of "non-activity" +
> 7 days after a d-d notice).
> # #7
Hi,
On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so
> "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a
> dialog and ask for a desktop? You have the choice, but we already made
> it for you".
if you think, it is easy, why there
On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
Ah what? You are confusing something, my skill to do something has
nothing to do with that I have to do it.
Well, you said you are deploying Debian in a corporate environment
so I assume you are doing some heavy custom configuration anyways
and thus i
* Colin Watson [130604 15:47]:
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:08:59PM +0200, Michael Tautschnig wrote:
> > I think this will likely improve code quality, hence I'm much in
> > favour of this, in particular when it comes to outright bugs. But a
> > non-negligible fraction of the build failures, I bel
On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 14:26:31 -0700, Russ Allbery
wrote:
>Marc Haber writes:
>> Russ Allbery wrote:
>>> Marc Haber writes:
>
Certificates are usually only used in E-Mail when a server authenticates
itself to a client before the client sends its authentication data. SMTP
with clien
On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:53:59 -0400, Chris Knadle
wrote:
>On Sunday, June 02, 2013 17:10:02, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Exim's default in the packages is not to send authentication data over
>> a non-encrypted connection. The debconf code could try to check
>> whether the smarthost allowes TLS, and if not
hi,
2013/6/5 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz :
> On 06/05/2013 07:24 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>
>> You striped my other comment. What it is now? A decision of upstream or
>> not?
>
>
> I stripped it, because I wasn't considering it a valid argument. No one
> keeps you from setting your default xsession
Dear all,
I have a proposal to give a permission to all DDs to restart builds on
failing archs e.g. execute "gb-command".
I think, most of developers are clever enough to define, whether the
built failed "accidentally" and needs to be restarted, or it requires
some fixing and uploading new versio
On 06/05/2013 07:24 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
You striped my other comment. What it is now? A decision of upstream or not?
I stripped it, because I wasn't considering it a valid argument. No one
keeps you from setting your default xsession and you actually should do
that when deploying Debian in
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Scott Howard
* Package name: fonts-ebgaramond
Version : 0.015+git20130522
Upstream Author : Georg Duffner
* URL : http://www.georgduffner.at/ebgaramond/
* License : SIL OFL 1.1
Programming Lang: font (python-fontforge)
hi,
2013/6/5 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz :
> On 06/05/2013 03:34 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>
>> So gnome said Debian had to use GNOME3 for default? Interesting.
>
>
> I don't understand. You can easily set the default xsession through
> update-alternatives. We are installing MATE as well and have set
On 06/05/2013 03:34 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
So gnome said Debian had to use GNOME3 for default? Interesting.
I don't understand. You can easily set the default xsession through
update-alternatives. We are installing MATE as well and have set
it as the default session. No complaints about the de
> Hi,
>
> > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:37:54AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > Le Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 02:06:26PM +0200, Niels Thykier a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Our automated tools for finding RC buggy leaf packages in testing have
> > > > found 79 potential candidates (see attached files).
> >
On Tue, 04 Jun 2013, "Rodolfo García Peñas (kix)" wrote:
> On 04/06/2013 14:06, Niels Thykier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Our automated tools for finding RC buggy leaf packages in testing have
> > found 79 potential candidates (see attached files).
> >
> > The packages have been selected based on the
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Stefano Rivera
* Package name: foodcritic
Version : 2.1.0
Upstream Author : Andrew Crump
* URL : http://acrmp.github.io/foodcritic/
* License : Expat
Programming Lang: Ruby
Description : Lint tool for Chef cookbo
hi,
2013/6/5 Ondřej Surý :
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
>>
>> > Of course, you're right. If i had a "side-show" setting, I've nothing to
>> > say. But I think Apache and PHP should have tested which a widely range
>> > of users.
>>
>> Debian as a volunteer project rel
+++ Matthias Klose [2013-05-07 15:25 +0200]:
> == GCC 4.8 ==
>
> GCC versions were updated to GCC 4.7.4 and GCC 4.8.0 (both updated to
> the current branch). The default compilers were not yet changed in
> unstable. It is planned to make GCC 4.8 the default on the x86
> architectures after the 4
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > Of course, you're right. If i had a "side-show" setting, I've nothing to
> > say. But I think Apache and PHP should have tested which a widely range
> > of users.
>
> Debian as a volunteer project relies on input of users to test all
> s
On Wed, June 5, 2013 15:34, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>> the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, was not a clean one.
>>> I've had to install a package (some lib-gd-annoying.deb), that wasn't
>>> installed before and wasn't able to install because of some unresolved
>>> debs.
>>
>>
>> Honestly, what do you
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Andreas Tille
* Package name: libfastutil-java
Version : 6.5.4
Upstream Author : Sebastiano Vigna
* URL : http://fastutil.di.unimi.it/
* License : Apache-2.0, LGP
Programming Lang: Java
Description : Java API pro
Le mercredi 05 juin 2013 à 15:16 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
écrit :
> For example, Debian kept gdm 2.20 for a very long time to continue
> to provide XDMCP support.
No. We kept it because there was no clean upgrade path to version 2.30
(which still supports the XDMCP horror). Almost nothi
Hi,
> On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:37:54AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 02:06:26PM +0200, Niels Thykier a écrit :
> > >
> > > Our automated tools for finding RC buggy leaf packages in testing have
> > > found 79 potential candidates (see attached files).
> > >
> > > The p
hi,
2013/6/5 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>
> On 06/05/2013 02:39 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>
>> 2013/6/5 Florian Lohoff mailto:f...@zz.de>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For me wheezy is the worst of all Debian release i have been
>> using since bo.
>>
>>
>> /signed
>>
>> Just one example to add to flo's
>
>
Hello,
The European Space Agency comes up with another run of its Summer of Code
http://sophia.estec.esa.int/socis2013/?q=timeline
and at least little me would like to see Debian to participate. "We" are
already on the Space Station, after all. And we had at least one DD on
it, too.
I am not su
On 06/05/2013 02:39 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
2013/6/5 Florian Lohoff mailto:f...@zz.de>>
For me wheezy is the worst of all Debian release i have been
using since bo.
/signed
Just one example to add to flo's
Really? I think it's one of the best releases ever. Multi-Arch alone is
wort
On Mi, 05 Jun 2013, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> expiration of debian-multimedia.org
> ===
> debian-multimedia.org was an unofficial, popular repository of Debian
> packages. After a discussion last year, the service moved to another domain.
> Debian offered to cover cos
hi
2013/6/5 Florian Lohoff
>
> For me wheezy is the worst of all Debian release i have been
> using since bo.
/signed
Just one example to add to flo's
the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, was not a clean one.
I've had to install a package (some lib-gd-annoying.deb), that wasn't
installed bef
On 06/05/2013 02:24 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote:
well, this could be related to Wheezy, or to you, or to the people you've been
talking with, or something else, or a combination...
I've switched 3 users from Squeeze to Wheezy in the last 2 weeks, and also to
Gnome 3 btw, and they all *love* it. And
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 12:10:11PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Florian,
> well, this could be related to Wheezy, or to you, or to the people you've
> been
> talking with, or something else, or a combination...
>
> I've switched 3 users from Squeeze to Wheezy in the last 2 weeks, and
Hi,
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 09:37:54AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 02:06:26PM +0200, Niels Thykier a écrit :
> >
> > Our automated tools for finding RC buggy leaf packages in testing have
> > found 79 potential candidates (see attached files).
> >
> > The packages have
Hi Florian,
On Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2013, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > So, #?
> Bug #711183 umount parser for /proc/mounts broken on stale nfs mount (gets
> renamed to "/mnt/point (deleted)") Bug #711184 mount should not stat
> mountpoints on mount
> Bug #711187 linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: kernel shou
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 01:52:13AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> nice to read from you again! (even though... see below :)
>
> On Dienstag, 4. Juni 2013, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > I cant unmount the original mount not with -l nor with -f - both hang.
> > The real problem is though
Lucas Nussbaum (05/06/2013):
> On 02/06/13 at 16:18 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Le dimanche, 2 juin 2013 15.54:31, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
> > > Marcin Kulisz (02/06/2013):
> > > > Why not to use http://http.debian.net/ ?
> > >
> > > Surely the .net part of it?
> >
> > If that's th
On Wed, June 5, 2013 09:12, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 02/06/13 at 16:18 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
>> Le dimanche, 2 juin 2013 15.54:31, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
>> > Marcin Kulisz (02/06/2013):
>> > > Why not to use http://http.debian.net/ ?
>> >
>> > Surely the .net part of it?
>>
>> I
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On 02/06/13 at 16:18 +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Le dimanche, 2 juin 2013 15.54:31, Cyril Brulebois a écrit :
> > Marcin Kulisz (02/06/2013):
> > > Why not to use http://http.debian.net/ ?
> >
> > Surely the .net part of it?
>
> If that's the reason, why do we have cdn.debian.net in the
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