On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 05:29:20PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
>
> It was for me (Maildir)
Just rechecked, I'm wrong - the first line was quoted.
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On 29-11-12 01:43, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:55 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
>> So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
>> using mboxo? I indeed got 1, 1 and 2 levels of quoting.
> Depends... were you using his webmail? Then probably yes...
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:06 -0500, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> Darren Salt writes:
> > (Oops. Failed first time.)
> >
> > Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
> > little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
> > makes testing of this use
I wouldn't put all my eggs in the same single file.
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> Christoph Anton Mitterer writes:
[…]
> But it also has disadvantages to the mbox formats which may be
> crucial for some people:
> - wasting a lot of storage, which can be significant even if you use
> small file systems block sizes...
Only as long as static mbox files are co
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On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:16 +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> * There are certain messages which are losslessly representable in SMTP
> without using MIME, but not losslessly representable in mboxo format
> without using MIME;
yes,... but of course MIME standards neither demand any quoted-printabl
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 16:32 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> So, what's the reason mbox is still the default in Debian?
> Among other gains, data loss because of mboxo would be gone.
Just posted some reasons[0] (but as I see now, some of them have already
been named by others...
But in general... I
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 22:06 +, Darren Salt wrote:
> It would make sense to have that enabled by default, and to ensure that all
> software in Debian which produces MIME quoted-printable does this, or at
> least can do this.
I agree... but let me add a few notes:
1) Most programs I know of (at
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 19:55 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote:
> So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
> using mboxo? I indeed got 1, 1 and 2 levels of quoting.
Depends... were you using his webmail? Then probably yes...
But it could have also been your local MUA (when you wer
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Even users of mboxo shouldn't even have a problem because in your
> message the F of the "From " line is encoded in quoted-printable:
>
> | =46rom blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
> | >From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
> | >>Fr
On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 14:32 +0700, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
> > # With the advent and now widespread adoption of the superior Maildir
> > # format over the past several years, the entire "mbox" family of
> > # mailbox formats is gradually becoming irrelevant, and of only
> > # historical interest.
I demand that Jakub Wilk may or may not have written...
> * Simon McVittie , 2012-11-28, 19:16:
>> If you don't restrict yourself to avoiding MIME, any piece of text (or
>> indeed any bytestring) becomes losslessly representable. In particular,
>> MUAs supporting quoted-printable and/or Base64 c
I demand that Nikolaus Rath may or may not have written...
> Darren Salt writes:
[snip]
>> The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
>>>From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
>>>From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
> This
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:34:32PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
> (Oops. Failed first time.)
>
> Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
> little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
> makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From
Darren Salt writes:
> (Oops. Failed first time.)
>
> Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
> little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
> makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
> reversible manner,
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]] Bjørn Mork
> Tollef Fog Heen writes:
> > ]] Bjørn Mork
> >
> >> "The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
> >>systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
> >>otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
> >>properly. Examp
* Simon McVittie , 2012-11-28, 19:16:
If you don't restrict yourself to avoiding MIME, any piece of text (or
indeed any bytestring) becomes losslessly representable. In particular,
MUAs supporting quoted-printable and/or Base64 can avoid sending
messages matching /^From / by using MIME and quot
On 28/11/12 15:34, Darren Salt wrote:
> Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
> little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
> makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
> reversible manner, using '- ' as
> The following SHOULD be 0, 1, and 2 levels of quoting, first to last.
>
>>From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
>>From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
>> >From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
So if I understand correctly, I now identified my e-mail provider as
using mboxo? I indeed got 1,
On 11/29/2012 01:33 AM, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:15:55AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> I actually don't really take it very seriously, it just helps
>> to waiting while things are building ... :)
>> I actually agree it's pointless (because it's very unlikely
>> that there
Tollef Fog Heen writes:
> ]] Bjørn Mork
>
>> "The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
>>systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
>>otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
>>properly. Example configuration options to in
* Jon Dowland , 2012-11-28, 17:29:
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one
other little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider
and which makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines
itself in a reversible manner, using '- ' as the pr
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:15:55AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> I actually don't really take it very seriously, it just helps
> to waiting while things are building ... :)
> I actually agree it's pointless (because it's very unlikely
> that there will be any outcome), but I also find it fun.
I'm
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:34:32PM +, Darren Salt wrote:
> Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
> little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
> makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
> reversibl
I had a half-drafted message to the same effect, but deleted it
earlier. Thanks Neil for speaking up. I have to say Thomas, many
recent messages from you across many threads, mostly on -devel
but also elsewhere, have seemed to have very little in the way
of polite, constructive content, advancing t
On 11/28/2012 11:55 PM, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:57PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> It is truth that there's a general movement inside RedHat to fuck-up
>> everything. You are right, I should have mention that more clearly :
>> it's not only about Lennart and systemd g
]] Bjørn Mork
> "The default 'configure' install locations have changed. Packages for
>systems with the historic / vs. /usr split need to be adapted,
>otherwise udev will be installed in /usr and not work
>properly. Example configuration options to install things the
>traditiona
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:57PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> It is truth that there's a general movement inside RedHat to fuck-up
> everything. You are right, I should have mention that more clearly :
> it's not only about Lennart and systemd guys, and I should take the
> blame for not highlig
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(Oops. Failed first time.)
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless: gpg handles any 'From ' lines itself in a
reversible manner, using '- ' as the prefix.
The
On 11/28/2012 07:17 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>>> However, it's the opinion of the systemd
>>> primary upstream authors that having /usr on a separate fs is a bad idea
>>> since there are tools that (primarily) some udev rules use,
Having just viewed the raw text of my message (as sent), there's one other
little wrinkle which I already knew but had failed to consider and which
makes testing of this useless â gpg handles any âÿóÿýFrom â lines itself
in a
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On 11/28/2012 08:46 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Yes, the Debian package is OK and I assume it will continue to be. But
> I believe Thomas was referring to the recently (udev 176) changed
> upstream default. See e.g.
> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/udev.html :
>
> "udev configura
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> On 2012-11-28 11:47:38 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>> Let's give it a test, this mail should be signed:
>> From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
>>>From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34
On 11/28/2012 07:16 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Thomas Goirand (28/11/2012):
>> That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
> May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
>
> Rules moved from /etc to /lib. Not to /usr.
Woops, my memory is failing. Thank
On 2012-11-28 11:47:38 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Let's give it a test, this mail should be signed:
>
> From blahhityblah Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
> >From foobarbaz Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
> >>From quux Fri Jul 8 12:08:34 2011
>
> If the signature is invalid, your setup is broken.
Even user
Cyril Brulebois writes:
> Thomas Goirand (28/11/2012):
>> That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
>
> May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
Yes, the Debian package is OK and I assume it will continue to be. But
I believe Thomas was referrin
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> However, it's the opinion of the systemd
>> primary upstream authors that having /usr on a separate fs is a bad idea
>> since there are tools that (primarily) some udev rules use, which live
>> on /usr.
> Yeah, we all so his marvelous example
Thomas Goirand (28/11/2012):
> That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
May I suggest some fact checking? Try “dpkg -L udev” for a start.
Rules moved from /etc to /lib. Not to /usr.
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On 11/28/2012 02:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> There is nothing in systemd's or udev's architecture that requires
> having /usr mounted early.
That's not truth anymore, since AFAIK rules of udev moved to /usr.
> However, it's the opinion of the systemd
> primary upstream authors that having /us
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 07:52:16AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Adam Borowski [121127 16:32]:
> > So, what's the reason mbox is still the default in Debian?
>
> Because it works and causes the smallest amount of problems
> given all the other changes.
Like, locking issues, multiple ways to
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