Bug#679853: general: Too much downtime during a big dist-upgrade - avoidable with snapshots

2012-07-01 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2012/7/2 Philipp Kern : > Alexander, > it is not sufficient on a Debian system to just branch off the root filesystem > given that important state information of the package manager is stored in > /var. Yes, this seems to be a valid objection. However [call me a heretic if you want] does this sta

Bug#679853: general: Too much downtime during a big dist-upgrade - avoidable with snapshots

2012-07-01 Thread Philipp Kern
Alexander, am Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 11:11:51AM +0600 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > 1) The installer should be able to install the system to a btrfs > subvolume (except /home and /var, which should be on separate > subvolumes). > > 2) On such system, dpkg and apt/aptitude, if requested by the us

Re: Best Practices on testing-proposed-updates vs unstable vs experimental after testing freeze

2012-07-01 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:31:04AM +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: > Le 25/06/2012 19:35, Aron Xu a écrit : > > unstable: any version that you would like to hit testing soon, so it's > > the version that Release Team agreed (or likely) to unblock it. > unstable would also works for new packages: they

Bug#679853: general: Too much downtime during a big dist-upgrade - avoidable with snapshots

2012-07-01 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Package: general, apt Severity: normal Today I ran "aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade" on my virtual machine that provides some web applications to the clients. There were 126 updated packages (accumulated since 2012-06-18). The upgrade and the following kexec-based reboot went well, except

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Bannister writes: > Is this [“game-ify”] yet another new word? It's a neologism, yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification>. -- \“A life spent making mistakes is not only most honorable but | `\ more useful than a life spent doing nothing.” —anonymous | _o__)

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:24:27AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > Has anyone quantized the % of tasks that a DD/DM does that are outside of > their > pet projects? Meaning, once they get their itch scratched, how far outside of > their main reason for joining Debian, do they explore? Would it be usefu

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >>The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered > >>according to the dependencies spe

Processed: blueman-manager: File Send and all later operations time out (Re: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X)

2012-07-01 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 679173 blueman Bug #679173 [general] general: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'blueman'. Ignoring request to alter found versions of bug #6791

Bug#679173: blueman-manager: File Send and all later operations time out (Re: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X)

2012-07-01 Thread Jonathan Nieder
reassign 679173 blueman quit Hi Jean Pierre and blueman maintainers, Jean Pierre Hoareau wrote > You wil find her under some detail about what hapen when I try to > send a file to my "HTC ONE X" smartphone . I think you are able to > reproduce this fail if you use the same hardware. Thanks m

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d: > > - wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels > > (this is already the case when using ins

Bug#679173: [Jean Pierre Hoareau: Re: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X]

2012-07-01 Thread Jonathan Nieder
submitter 679173 Jean Pierre Hoareau quit Forwarding with permission. --- Begin Message --- Dear Jonathan, Thanks for your quick answer, and sory for ma late answer due to a failure on my mailbox "jphoar...@free.fr". Use my primary mailbox "*hoarea...@free.fr*" for all new communication abou

Processed: [Jean Pierre Hoareau: Re: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X]

2012-07-01 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > submitter 679173 Jean Pierre Hoareau Bug #679173 [general] general: No transfert file from or to the smartphones and my PC: SONY xperia x10 and HTC One X Changed Bug submitter to 'Jean Pierre Hoareau ' from 'HOAREAU jean pierre ' > quit Stoppin

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 08:41:07AM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote: > I think this is approaching the problem from the wrong end. Instead of > preserving the status quo and asking oracles to predict the future we > should have better means of _removing_ software that has proven to be > inferior of

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
On 01.07.2012 22:58, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: >> - wheezy+2: remove support for the options and error out if used > > error out in dh_install or update-rc.d? ^ dh_installinit > It is seriously annoying making up random sequence

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Biebl
On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: > > I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d: > - wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels > (this is already the case when using insserv, and we can remove the > non-insserv codepaths) > - wheezy+1: warn

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered according to the dependencies specified in the LSB headers. That means that that update-rc.d could keep a

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Philipp Kern
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:18:49PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > I would go even 1 step further and seek from a perspective maintainer, > especially a non-DD/DM, at least some assurance that it is not a > fire-and-forget project for him (e.g. that he is using it extensively > and planing to do

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:24:27AM -0400, Kevin Mark a écrit : > > Has anyone quantized the % of tasks that a DD/DM does that are outside of > their > pet projects? Meaning, once they get their itch scratched, how far outside of > their main reason for joining Debian, do they explore? Would it be

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:34:01AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: > I'd go even further and say that the reason why people start on > something generally in Free Software projects is to "scratch their itch" > which in Debian could well mean packaing your favourite piece of > software. Has anyone quanti

Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 08:32:21PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > We could add special behaviour to adduser to unlock the account > if it already exists when run in the postinst. Yes, that would be the way to go for adduser --system > However, most postinsts wrap the call to adduser with a check f

Re: Bug#621833: System users: removing them

2012-07-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:04:35PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >I'm currently using this logic (in postinst) > > # Create dedicated sbuild user > if ! getent passwd sbuild > /dev/null; then > adduser --system --quiet --home /var/lib/sbuild --no-create-home \ > --shell