Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > On 06/23/2012 02:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> The helpfull error messages and holding back packages would have to be >> ported to stable apt/aptitude to be any use for upgrades. And only >> people updating to the latest stable point release would benefit from >>

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/23/2012 02:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > The helpfull error messages and holding back packages would have to be > ported to stable apt/aptitude to be any use for upgrades. And only > people updating to the latest stable point release would benefit from > it. > Unfortunately, we neve

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/23/2012 02:18 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Problem is that frontends will complain about ia32-libs being not > upgradable and might suggest removing it instead of keeping it back way > before that. At the time base-file is upgraded ia32-libs and all other > 32bit stuff might already have

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 19:37 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >>> Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back > >>>

[DEP 8] About the Restrictions and Features field.

2012-06-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear Ian, Iustin and Stefano, reading DEP 8's appendix, I wonder about the necessity to keep separate Restrictions and Features fields. For instance, the no-build-needed Feature could also be a needs-build restriction. Perhaps the specification can be simplified by dropping the Features field ?

[DEP 8] Re: Is it possible to run autopkgtest without a virtual machine ?

2012-06-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:02:04AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a écrit : > > I think test should be run in a container (or VM) but never the local > system itself. The absolute minimum would be a chroot but a container > would give better control over things like networking. Hello Goswin For net

MIA ping Jürgen Rinas (sinfo)

2012-06-22 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Dear all, sinfo package is not RC, but it hasn't been updated in a while. Jürgen Rinas or Gaudenz Steinlin do you intend to continue maintaining it? -- Regards, Dmitrijs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listm

Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 22/06/12 23:04, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Freitag, 22. Juni 2012, Neil Williams wrote: Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get fixed. soon there will be a 14 day BSP, in Central America, in Managua :-D You'll be able to participate remotly, mostly via IRC ;)

Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Freitag, 22. Juni 2012, Neil Williams wrote: > Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get > fixed. soon there will be a 14 day BSP, in Central America, in Managua :-D You'll be able to participate remotly, mostly via IRC ;) cheers, Holger -- To UNSUBSCR

Bug#678519: general: after about 1 month of uptime, routing of IPv6 packets is no longer possible, and IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable. Rebooting brings all functionality back, and back to

2012-06-22 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Rudy Zijlstra wrote: > let system run with IPv4 & IPv6 routing for about 1 month > > IPv6 routing will start to fail > > IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable > > no obvious causes visible in the system. top and friends do not show a cpu hog > > a reboot will bring the

Re: proprietary solutions just work (Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread darkestkhan
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell >> people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other >> devices. And so on. I do not believe that

Re: Summary: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-22 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 20 iun 12, 15:18:55, Stephan Seitz wrote: > > Fine let’s talk. Why can’t we find a compromise? Additional to our > > disk /tmp we create a /ramtmp (so the name suggests that this tmp is > > a ramdisk) with tmpfs. This should be doable in time for

Bug#678572: ITP: foremancli -- commandline search interface to Foreman

2012-06-22 Thread Ulrich Dangel
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ulrich Dangel * Package name: foremancli Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Brian Gupta * URL : http://theforeman.org/projects/foreman/wiki/Foremancli * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: ruby Description : commandl

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
"Adam D. Barratt" writes: > On 22.06.2012 15:31, Roger Leigh wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>> > Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back >>> > Step 2: dpkg --add-architect

Re: Introducing http.debian.net, Debian's mirrors redirector

2012-06-22 Thread Dmitry E. Oboukhov
> Hi, > After several iterations to solve problems related to Debian's mirrors > network, I am happy to announce a fully-functional solution that solves many > of the shortcomings of previous iterations: http://http.debian.net > http.debian.net works as the key component of a content distribution

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven., 2012-06-22 at 11:34 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > #677787 gtk2-engines-xfce: Please add multiarch support Note that this one (as investigated in the bug report by Goswin and me) is a bit spurious. For multi-arch Gtk+ apps, a multi-arch engine matching the theme used by the end user

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 22/06/12 19:23, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Yaroslav Halchenko writes: > >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: archive-wide rebuilds of arch:all packages as we routinely do rebuilds of arch:any packages. (Cc:-ing Lucas, for his great work on QA rebuilds.) >>> Are

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Luk Claes writes: > On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >>> On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i38

Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:25:51PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get > fixed. http://wiki.debian.org/BSPMarathonWheezy should be useful for anyone who thinks we're making people travel too long for these things. Host a BSP! Even if it'

Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:00:13 +0100 Philip Ashmore wrote: > On 22/06/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 06/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: > >> Fair enough - but let's not lob hand grenades at people who might find it > >> useful. Let them get on with it if they want to. > >> > > Sorry, b

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jun 22, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back >> Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update >> Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) > Maybe this is easier?

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Yaroslav Halchenko writes: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > archive-wide rebuilds of arch:all packages as we routinely do rebuilds >> > of arch:any packages. >> > (Cc:-ing Lucas, for his great work on QA rebuilds.) >> Are archive wide rebuilds done on anythiong but i386/amd

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Goirand writes: > On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back >> Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update >> Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) >> > May I suggest that

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 06/22/2012 07:37 PM, Luk Claes wrote: > On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> Doesn't the Ubuntu updater tool do something like this already when >> it does a full upgrade between releases? > > There were quite some bugs

Re: Introducing http.debian.net, Debian's mirrors redirector

2012-06-22 Thread Darren Baginski
On 21 Jun 2012 Raphael Geissert wrote: > After several iterations to solve problems related to Debian's mirrors > network, I am happy to announce a fully-functional solution that > solves many > of the shortcomings of previous iterations: > http://http.debian.net Is there other developer involved

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Luk Claes
On 06/22/2012 04:31 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>> Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back >>> Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update >>> St

Re: Summary: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 20 iun 12, 15:18:55, Stephan Seitz wrote: > > Fine let’s talk. Why can’t we find a compromise? Additional to our > disk /tmp we create a /ramtmp (so the name suggests that this tmp is > a ramdisk) with tmpfs. This should be doable in time for Wheezy. The > release notes should mention it. A

Re: Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

2012-06-22 Thread Philip Ashmore
On 22/06/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: Fair enough - but let's not lob hand grenades at people who might find it useful. Let them get on with it if they want to. Sorry, but it's fair enough to "lob hand grenades" at people suggesting non open source

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> I was thinking about a bit more automated way... ideally (in the long > >> run) even that FTBFS (e.g. due to failed tests or some other arch > >> specific quirks) would forbid automatic migration to wheezy etc -- > >> kinda full blown benefits

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 22.06.2012 15:31, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back > Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update > Step 3: dist-

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:32:15PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back > > Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update > > Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is no

Bug#678519: general: after about 1 month of uptime, routing of IPv6 packets is no longer possible, and IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable. Rebooting brings all functionality back, and back to

2012-06-22 Thread Rudy Zijlstra
On 22-06-12 15:04, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:59:37PM +0200, Rudy Zijlstra wrote: Package: general Severity: important Tags: ipv6 let system run with IPv4& IPv6 routing for about 1 month IPv6 routing will start to fail IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable no

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 06/22/2012 05:34 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back > Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update > Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) > May I suggest that upon upgrade, we have a debconf m

Bug#678519: general: after about 1 month of uptime, routing of IPv6 packets is no longer possible, and IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable. Rebooting brings all functionality back, and back to

2012-06-22 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:59:37PM +0200, Rudy Zijlstra wrote: > Package: general > Severity: important > Tags: ipv6 > > let system run with IPv4 & IPv6 routing for about 1 month > > IPv6 routing will start to fail > > IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable > > no obvious causes visible in t

Bug#678519: general: after about 1 month of uptime, routing of IPv6 packets is no longer possible, and IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable. Rebooting brings all functionality back, and back to

2012-06-22 Thread Rudy Zijlstra
Package: general Severity: important Tags: ipv6 let system run with IPv4 & IPv6 routing for about 1 month > IPv6 routing will start to fail > IPv4 routing becomes slow and unpredictable no obvious causes visible in the system. top and friends do not show a cpu hog a reboot will bring the system

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/06/12 at 10:56 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Are archive wide rebuilds done on anythiong but i386/amd64? A long time ago, I played with archive rebuilds inside qemu for mips or mipsel. It is probably doable, but needs someone to do the work. Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 22/06/12 at 09:37 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:29:48AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > > I was thinking about a bit more automated way... ideally (in the long > > run) even that FTBFS (e.g. due to failed tests or some other arch > > specific quirks) would

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 22, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Step 1: upgrade/dist-upgrade with ia32-libs (wine, ...) held back > Step 2: dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update > Step 3: dist-upgrade (ia32-libs, wine, ... is now installable) Maybe this is easier? 1: upgrade dpkg and apt 2: dpkg --add-archite

The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hi, two weeks ago we hit a huge milestone with multiarch and wine:i386 became installable on amd64. Last week we hit another milestone so that ia32-libs became mostly installable (it might still want to remove some amd64 packages in the process depending on what you have installed). As a conseque

Re: Is it possible to run autopkgtest without a virtual machine ?

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Charles Plessy writes: > Dear all, > > I think that the idea behind autopkgtest (DEP 8) is very interesting, and > could > eventually replace build-time regression tests. To train myself, I tried to > implement simple tests for the tabix package. > > However, adt-run needs a virtual machine. I

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:29:48AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >> I was thinking about a bit more automated way... ideally (in the long >> run) even that FTBFS (e.g. due to failed tests or some other arch >> specific quirks) would forbid automatic migration to w

Re: Is it possible to run autopkgtest without a virtual machine ?

2012-06-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 01:24:43PM +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > adt-run needs a virtual machine. I know that some developers have > some workarounds, but couldn't autopkgtest also support running tests on the > local > system ? This would be tremendously useful when the tests can be cont

Re: Announce: script to automatically restart services after update of dependencies

2012-06-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:16:51AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Ben Hutchings writes: >> >> > On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:29 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> On 2012-06-19 13:59, Tomas Pospisek wrote: >> >> > This implies that an "apt-get

Re: build-time testing of pure arch:all packages

2012-06-22 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:29:48AM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > I was thinking about a bit more automated way... ideally (in the long > run) even that FTBFS (e.g. due to failed tests or some other arch > specific quirks) would forbid automatic migration to wheezy etc -- > kinda full blown be

Re: Introducing http.debian.net, Debian's mirrors redirector

2012-06-22 Thread Philipp Kern
shirish, am Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:33:34AM +0530 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > Another thing which is puzzling is that stable inRelease is ignored. I > dunno if this was before and I'm realizing it now or it's due to the > use of mirror redirector or something else. I do recall stable > inRel