Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Romain Beauxis
2012/3/18 Thomas Goirand : > On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote: >> It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and >> DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply >> that knives are. >> > Well, the whole concept of DMCA is to make knives illegal!

Re: thoughts on blocking and downgrade attacks agains secure APT

2012-03-18 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
(sorry for the double posting,.. my MUA crashed in between) One addition immediately which is however not directly related to the discussion. I stumbled across those issues when I spent some thoughts on the check_apt test from Nagios. I wanted a fully secure way to be notified when updates are

thoughts on blocking and downgrade attacks agains secure APT

2012-03-18 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi. I recently played with Nagios' check_apt script (more on that later) and this brought my attention to the following issues. As everyone knows, our packages/archives are in principle fully secured ("secure APT")... via signed Release files and hashsums on the other files. I personally have s

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Andres Mejia writes: > Note that Christian Marillat is a Debian Developer. He should be > subscribed to this list. There is no requirement that a Debian Developer be subscribed to debian-devel, only debian-devel-announce. If I were Christian and saw a thread in debian-devel, even assuming I was

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Andres Mejia
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 17:13:55, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote: >> > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> > > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: >> > > > Some public d

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Chris Knadle
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 17:13:55, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote: > > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: > > > > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this > > > >

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-18 at 04:48pm, Chris Knadle wrote: > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: > > > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this > > > might be warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome > >

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Chris Knadle
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 13:23:13, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: > > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this might be > > warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome is not what is > > desired, because at least then there w

Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload

2012-03-18 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:16:06AM -0500, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: > Hi, I like dselect, dpkg, and aptitude. I have a request. aptitude should > import and export > > /var/lib/dpkg/status > > At least when asked. Right now aptitude takes awkwardly and but doesn't gi

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/18/2012 09:50 PM, Chris Knadle wrote: > Some public discussion with the repository maintainer about this might be > warranted. Such would be worhwhile even if the outcome is not what is > desired, because at least then there will be a public record of where d-m.o > and d.o stand. > deb

dpkg, aptitude and use of state files (was: Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload)

2012-03-18 Thread Daniel Hartwig
TL;DR: aptitude does keep dpkg/status and apt/extended_states up-to-date with the *current* state of a package, just like other software. Please do not grok pkgstates to determine if something is installed, etc. On 18 March 2012 23:16, John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell wrote: > Hi, I like ds

Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload

2012-03-18 Thread John D. Hendrickson and Sara Darnell
Hi, I like dselect, dpkg, and aptitude. I have a request. aptitude should import and export /var/lib/dpkg/status At least when asked. Right now aptitude takes awkwardly and but doesn't give back. It's not just private selections. Private methods and worse pivate status make other

Bug#664019: marked as done (ITP: lintian4python -- Debian package checker (for Python packages))

2012-03-18 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:17:09 + with message-id and subject line Accepted lintian4python 0+20120317 (source all) has caused the Debian Bug report #664019, regarding ITP: lintian4python -- Debian package checker (for Python packages) to be marked as done. This means that you cla

Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload

2012-03-18 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi, On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 09:35:39 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > I'll be uploading dpkg 1.16.2 targeting unstable, by the end of > this weekend or beginning of next week the latest (after some final > polishing). Unfortunately I found some issues with the selection handling and with dselect and t

adding information to wnpp

2012-03-18 Thread Henri Le Foll
Hello I don't know a to maintain a package, and I would be interested to maintain a package I use every day. First I need to learn how to maintain an easy package. But I don't know how to find one. Question *** Is it possible to sort (and find) packages by the difficulty of its mai

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Chris Knadle
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 04:51:10, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Chris Knadle writes: > >> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> Hence the Debian patent policy. > >>> > >>> We can't just ignore things like this, nor

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/18/2012 08:53 AM, Romain Beauxis wrote: > It's a cliche comparison but still, CSS decryption is the knife and > DMCA is the murder; the fact that murder is illegal does not imply > that knives are. > Well, the whole concept of DMCA is to make knives illegal! Please read a bit more about it

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Thomas Goirand > I'd like people to think twice before opt-in for systemd. I just > taked with a friend working for redhat, and he told me how much > he hates it. He told me that if *anything* goes wrong in the boot > process, then basically, you're stuck, because the next thing will > be wait

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Chris Knadle writes: >> On Saturday, March 17, 2012 21:53:18, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> Hence the Debian patent policy. > >>> We can't just ignore things like this, nor is it responsible use of >>> project resources to openly flaunt disobedie

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful

2012-03-18 Thread Eric Valette
On 18/03/2012 02:24, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: Which distro provides Blu-Ray playback? Even though there is libaacs and friends now... the MKBs are only publicly known till version ... what? ... 10? As long as it remains free of charge and available, you can package makemkv in non-f

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 18 mars 2012 à 00:35 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > I just had a look, and no, that's not what metainit does. > What it does is *generating* an init.d script, using the > metainit syntax as input. IMO, just a normal shell script > tiny library to simplify our init.d scripts would be