Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Sujit Karatparambil
> so doing «getent hosts foo.bar» will only generate a query for > «foo.bar.», not for «foo.bar.$searchpath.» Could you be more specific with what you are looking. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Cc-ing the bug log ] On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:05:14PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > For each package --status will do the trick, for all packages, yeah > > it does not support patterns. I guess adding that would be fine. So > > one could do something like: «dpkg-query -s '*'». > > Or on a s

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ben Hutchings Hi, | On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | | > To the extent this is a bug, it's a bug in the resolver that it does not | > treat names with dots in them as absolute, but relative. I know this is | > how it's been done in the past, but perhaps chan

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Mar 03 2011, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2011-03-03, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> and per-WM hooks should take care of any conversion required at >> installation time. Let's make that a release goal for wheezy instead of >> perpetuating these parallel menu systems. > Down with the debian menu!

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Carsten Hey wrote: >> But, anyway, I believe that the first depends of an alternate depends >> relation >> should be available in main and propose to file bugs about this. >> >> Do you agree this warrants a mass bug filing? I couldn't find this written >> out >>

Bug#616395: ITP: abgate -- LV2 noise gate plugin

2011-03-03 Thread Alessio Treglia
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alessio Treglia * Package name: abgate Version : 1.1.2 Upstream Author : Antanas Bružas * URL : http://abgate.sourceforge.net * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : LV2 noise gate plugin abGate is

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Sean Finney
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 23:01 +0100, Christoph Egger wrote: > Sune Vuorela writes: > > (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by > > simply killing the debian menu) > > Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as > well. instead of letting the ta

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-03-03, Christoph Egger wrote: > --=-=-= > > Sune Vuorela writes: >> (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by >> simply killing the debian menu) > > Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as > well. a quick search on google seems to t

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 09:07:52AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > > > Not sure if somebody has proposed it or not, but another heuristic would > > be whether there is a debian menu file but not a desktop file. > > Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the D

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 05:20:37PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Bastien ROUCARIES > > | main security problem is resolver, > | $host -v www.local > | www.local > | www.local.mydomain.com > > So the security problem you see is that if you have a domain called > «local» the entries in it mig

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Christoph Egger
Sune Vuorela writes: > (isn't it only icewm and ratpoison and blackbox we might 'lose' by > simply killing the debian menu) Last time I checked fluxbox and awesome where both debian menu only as well. Regards Christoph pgpdyO38cMKdt.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-03 Thread Sean Finney
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 10:37 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | Is there any reason against using a debconf script that asks if the > | daemon should be started at boot time (or on which runlevels)? That > | way you can easily modify the configuration with dpkg-reconfigure and > | benefit from the de

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Phillip Susi
On 3/3/2011 1:32 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: > Don't you mean it MAY be initiated if the cache decides there is enough > memory pressure? I don't know of any other call besides fsync and > friends to force the writeback so before that is called, it could ( and > likely is if you have plenty of memory

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Phillip Susi
On 3/3/2011 1:30 PM, Guillem Jover wrote: > Actually, this was discarded early on, as Linux does not implement > aio_fsync() for any file system. Also the interface is quite cumbersome > as it requires to keep state for each aio operation, and using SA_SIGINFO > (which is not yet available everywhe

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Phillip Susi wrote: >> And we use some linux specific ioctl to avoid that fragmentation. > > Could you be more specific? sync_file_range(fd.a, 0, 0, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WRITE); sync_file_range(fd.a, 0, 0, SYNC_FILE_RANGE_WAIT_BEFORE); Olaf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Phillip Susi
On 3/3/2011 12:49 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > That's wrong. The writeback is initiated before the fsync() so the > filesystem can order the write how it wants. Don't you mean it MAY be initiated if the cache decides there is enough memory pressure? I don't know of any other call besides fsync an

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 18:49:44 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Phillip Susi wrote: > > It would be much better to use aio to queue up all of the syncs at once, > > so that the elevator can coalesce and reorder them for optimal writing. > > I'm not convinced it would help. You'

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 18:20:01 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 17:30:42 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Is there a way to ask dpkg-query to dump all the information contained > > in /var/lib/dpkg/status without either having to: (1) list all fields > > explicitly (using --s

Bug#616342: dpkg-query: add the ability to dump the entire dpkg database

2011-03-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Package: dpkg Version: 1.15.8.10 Severity: wishlist User: d...@packages.debian.org Usertags: dpkg-query As per subject, see messages below from -devel discussion rooted at . Reporting bug as requested by DPKG maintainers (with best effort

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Phillip Susi wrote: > I have another proposal. It looks like right now dpkg extracts all of > the files in the archive, then for each one, calls fsync() then > rename(). Because this is done serially for each file in the archive, > it forces small, out of order writes th

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Is there a way to ask dpkg-query to dump all the information contained > in /var/lib/dpkg/status without either having to: (1) list all fields > explicitly (using --show + --showformat) or (2) list all package names > (using --status)? > > I co

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Guillem Jover
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 17:30:42 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 02:45:51PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > And the status file is not a public interface. It's a file used by dpkg. > > If tomorrow dpkg supports an optional SQLite internal database through a > > plugin, dp

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Stefano Zacchiroli writes: > ACK on the de-duplication (although I don't know whether they are in > fact more expressive than current Debian menu files). Desktop files are in general more expressive than menu files, and remaining missing features could be fairly easily added, I think. > It does

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Russ Allbery
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort writes: > Not sure if somebody has proposed it or not, but another heuristic would > be whether there is a debian menu file but not a desktop file. Lintian intentionally doesn't do this because the Debian maintainers of the desktop systems in Debian didn't want lots of des

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Phillip Susi
I have another proposal. It looks like right now dpkg extracts all of the files in the archive, then for each one, calls fsync() then rename(). Because this is done serially for each file in the archive, it forces small, out of order writes that cause extra seeking and queue plugging. It would b

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 02:45:51PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > And the status file is not a public interface. It's a file used by dpkg. > If tomorrow dpkg supports an optional SQLite internal database through a > plugin, dpkg-query will continue to work but your access to the status > file will

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 03/03/11 15:17, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > It doesn't seem to me that your proposal of making it a release goal for > Wheezy is incompatible with Andreas' proposal. Bottom line: a lintian > check would be a first useful step (the heuristic is clearly more > debatable, but I'm no condition to pr

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Bastien ROUCARIES | main security problem is resolver, | $host -v www.local | www.local | www.local.mydomain.com So the security problem you see is that if you have a domain called «local» the entries in it might be spoofed due to how the resolver works? To the extent this is a bug, it's a b

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 15:06:11 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Here's what might create troubles: > 3/ Any program that assumes the current layout of control files >(/var/lib/dpkg/info/.) will be broken (at least for >some packages) since the layout will change to support Multi-Arch:

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-03, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > Giving information on my system without admin concent is an > information leak, and thus tag security... Information leaks are leaks of *sensitive* information. If I want to know if you run phpmyadmin at its default location I just poll that URL and your

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:45:51 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: > > * Raphael Hertzog [2011-03-02 15:06 +0100]: > > >In general parsing the status file should not be done, instead you > > >should use dpkg-query. > > > > Is there any reason for th

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Bastien ROUCARIES writes: > >> some package announce their existance to the world without any admin >> decision > > It should be a site policy. And set to no by default or a least well documented >> It is not a fud and a security h

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Drake Wilson writes ("Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default"): > Quoth Bob Proulx , on 2011-03-02 17:00:19 -0700: > > Having daemons started automatically at installation time is a very > > nice feature of Debian IMNHO. > > Is there any harder data on which behavior various proportions or > seg

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-03-03, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I think it's crazy to expect maintainers to provide both menu and > desktop files for everything. That information should be provided once > only, in whichever format is the more expressive (I think that would be > desktop files, possibly with some Debian-spe

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 02:36:43PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I think it's crazy to expect maintainers to provide both menu and > desktop files for everything. That information should be provided once > only, in whichever format is the more expressive (I think that would be > desktop files, pos

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Bastien ROUCARIES writes: > some package announce their existance to the world without any admin > decision It should be a site policy. > It is not a fud and a security hole! I disagree. -- Stig Sandbeck Mathisen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a su

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 12:22 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > > So you contradict yourself within two paragraphs. It makes it less > > useful to enable it only on manual intervention (say, it should be > > enabled automatic) but on the other hand you say

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 at 15:17:14 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > I have never in my life felt the need > > to do anything provided by either gnome-user-share or telepathy-salut > > Note that until you configure gnome-user-share, only avahi is started; > gnome-user-share itself is not. The same

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:46 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:18:58AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > What happened to the idea that debian/menu files can be converted to > > desktop files, maybe not during package build but as a tool for > > maintainers? > > The idea i

Re: potential MBF: first alternate depends not available in main

2011-03-03 Thread Carsten Hey
* Holger Levsen [2011-02-28 16:05 +0100]: > piuparts in master-slave mode currently cannot test packages which first > alternate depends is not available in main, ie the secvpn package depends > on "adduser, bc, ssh, ppp, timeout | coreutils (>= 7.5-1), sudo" and timeout > is only available in lenn

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 03 mars 2011 à 00:33 +0100, Adam Borowski a écrit : > > As Philipp pointed out, only gnome depends on it, and that’s not > > gnome-desktop-environment. You can use the latter if you want only the > > official GNOME desktop. > > gnome-desktop-environment > Depends: gnome-user-share Ah

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 01:43:19PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Olaf van der Spek >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> >> On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCA

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:18:58AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > What happened to the idea that debian/menu files can be converted to > desktop files, maybe not during package build but as a tool for > maintainers? The idea is as good as its implementation proceeds. :-) IMHO a tool for maintain

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Carsten Hey wrote: > * Raphael Hertzog [2011-03-02 15:06 +0100]: > >In general parsing the status file should not be done, instead you > >should use dpkg-query. > > Is there any reason for this, except that the format of the status files > will evolve? dpkg-query

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 01:43:19PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Olaf van der Spek > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > >> On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > >>> some package announce their existance to

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 03 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: > ext Raphael Hertzog writes: > > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: > >> - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into > >> half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a > >> big sync() right before car

Re: Help identify packages that multiarch support will break

2011-03-03 Thread Carsten Hey
* Raphael Hertzog [2011-03-02 15:06 +0100]: >In general parsing the status file should not be done, instead you >should use dpkg-query. Is there any reason for this, except that the format of the status files will evolve? >You should use "dpkg-query --control-path " to Jftr, there i

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >>> some package announce their existance to the world without any admin >>> decision! >>> It is not a fud  and a securit

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> some package announce their existance to the world without any admin >> decision! >> It is not a fud  and a security hole! > > That's a vague generality... which packages? You men

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2011-03-03 at 12:47 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > some package announce their existance to the world without any admin decision! > It is not a fud and a security hole! That's a vague generality... which packages? You mentioned phpmyadmin. What are the actual problems that results from

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Sujit Karatparambil wrote: >> However, could we please end the FUDfest? This thread seems to be quite >> unconstructive, with unspecific claims of security problems, unwarranted >> slurs on users based on their operating system, and accusations on >> Debian develop

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On to, 2011-03-03 at 11:54 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: >> Am Do den  3. Mär 2011 um 11:25 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen: >> > Then just don't use it?  Nobody is forcing you to. >> [...] >> > | And even if you not care about, then that functionality

Bug#616309: ITP: clfswm -- A(nother) Common Lisp FullScreen Window Manager

2011-03-03 Thread Desmond O. Chang
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Desmond O. Chang" * Package name: clfswm Version : 20110227.git98bbb72 Upstream Author : Philippe Brochard * URL : http://common-lisp.net/project/clfswm/ * License : GPL3 Programming Lang: Common Lisp Description

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Sujit Karatparambil
> However, could we please end the FUDfest? This thread seems to be quite > unconstructive, with unspecific claims of security problems, unwarranted > slurs on users based on their operating system, and accusations on > Debian developer's attitudes. If there is an actual problem, explain I totally

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On to, 2011-03-03 at 11:54 +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 11:25 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen: > > Then just don't use it? Nobody is forcing you to. > [...] > > | And even if you not care about, then that functionality should be > > | explicit configured and not per default. > >

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Julien BLACHE
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Hi, > Except zeroconf isn't routed so to be able to exploit it you need to be > on the same physical segment? mDNS traffic can actually be relayed, but this requires setting up a relay daemon on the gateway(s). Quite useful when done properly. JB. -- Julien BLACHE -

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:32:23AM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > Not everything gets set up in DNS and ssh caches the host > > key so doing a mitm attack after the initial handshake is prevented. > > It's not like it'll magically be pulled in on servers or anybody is > > suggesting making it

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 11:25 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen: > Then just don't use it? Nobody is forcing you to. [...] > | And even if you not care about, then that functionality should be > | explicit configured and not per default. > > That make

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Klaus Ethgen > > Hi, > > | The thoughts of that makes me shiver! Trusting untreatable sources on a > | network for configuring local stuff is worse ever. > > Then just don't use it?  Nobody is forcing you to. > > | > I think those two fu

Re: What bug reports are for

2011-03-03 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 01 mar 11, 19:33:09, Neil Williams wrote: > > If you want a service contract, find a GNU/Linux distribution capable > of supplying one, it is not Debian. Debian exists to support users, not > enter a service contract with users. There's plenty paid support for Debian as well: http://www.d

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > Am Do den  3. Mär 2011 um  3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin: >> > A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A >> > firewall is to control services you _need_.

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Klaus Ethgen Hi, | The thoughts of that makes me shiver! Trusting untreatable sources on a | network for configuring local stuff is worse ever. Then just don't use it? Nobody is forcing you to. | > I think those two functionalities are pretty useful to the end-user. | | Well, they might b

Re: Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:27:53 +0100 Andreas Tille wrote: > as I explained on Debian Med list[1] the existence of a desktop file is > nearly as relevant as a manpage for a good user experience for users who > are not that addicted to the command line as most of us are. I have not > made any stats h

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 02 mars 2011 à 18:25 +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES a écrit : >> And more specifically from an administrator point of view does avahi >> could library could be made purgeable and no more than suggest >> dependencies (I am willing to

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Do den 3. Mär 2011 um 3:35 schrieb Chow Loong Jin: > > A system has not to listen for any unused and unneeded services ever. A > > firewall is to control services you _need_. > > > > All that zeroconf stuff is absolutely not needed and wan

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-03 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > - install daemon > - install configuration using puppet/chef/cfengine/etc > - start daemon or hook daemon into tool that keeps it running (monit, >  god, etc) Can't you either install the config before installing the daemon or just do a dae

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Mi den  2. Mär 2011 um 18:25 schrieb Bastien ROUCARIES: >> More and more packages depend on avahi aka zeroconf. I have found some >> information on http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf >> >>

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Olaf van der Spek
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: > And in the big picture, all we need is some guarantee that renames are > comitted in order, and after the content of the file that is being > renamed.  I have the impression that all reasonable filesystems give > that guarantee now, no? No,

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Bastien ROUCARIES
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 23:09 +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: >> Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> > Because I work in a untrusted work place and home network (public >> > networks, wifi...) I whish to purge zeroconf functionnality. >> >> L

Bug#616294: ITP: nagixsc -- flexible transport agent for Nagios/Icinga check results

2011-03-03 Thread Sebastian Harl
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian Harl * Package name: nagixsc Version : Git snapshot Upstream Author : Sven Velt * URL : http://oss.teamix.org/projects/nagixsc * License : GPLv2+ Programming Lang: Python Description : flexible transpor

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-03 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Bastian Blywis Hi, | > The use case for this is: | > | > - install daemon | > - install configuration using puppet/chef/cfengine/etc | > - start daemon or hook daemon into tool that keeps it running (monit, | > god, etc) | | Is there any reason against using a debconf script that asks if

Re: Call for projects for Google Summer of Code 2011

2011-03-03 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/03/2011 03:03 AM, Jonathan Nieder wrote: >If folks want to implement something similar for other >operating systems, the preferred mode of cooperation is >probably that we help you identify which interfaces can be >shared with your system, to make life easier f

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Raphael Hertzog writes: > On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: >> - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into >> half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a >> big sync() right before carefully writing /var/lib/dpkg/status. > > The big sync()

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-03 Thread Bastian Blywis
> The use case for this is: > > - install daemon > - install configuration using puppet/chef/cfengine/etc > - start daemon or hook daemon into tool that keeps it running (monit, > god, etc) Is there any reason against using a debconf script that asks if the daemon should be started at boot tim

Lintian check for missing desktop files?

2011-03-03 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, as I explained on Debian Med list[1] the existence of a desktop file is nearly as relevant as a manpage for a good user experience for users who are not that addicted to the command line as most of us are. I have not made any stats how many packages with applications which deserve a desktop f

Re: Disable ZeroConf: how to ?

2011-03-03 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! * Bastien ROUCARIES [2011-03-02 18:25:30 CET]: > Does avahi could be disable (using kernel level firewalling is not > from my point of view a solution) ? A nice hack that I was informed just recently about: echo exit 0 >> /etc/default/avahi-daemon That will disable the daemon qui

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Marius, no need to CC Guillem privately, the dpkg maintainers are reachable at debian-d...@lists.debian.org. :) On Wed, 02 Mar 2011, Marius Vollmer wrote: > - Instead, we move all packages that are to be unpacked into > half-installed / reinstreq before touching the first one, and put a >

Re: Speeding up dpkg, a proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Marius Vollmer
ext Chow Loong Jin writes: > Could we somehow avoid using sync()? sync() syncs all mounted filesystems, > which > isn't exactly very friendly when you have a few slow-syncing filesystems like > btrfs (or even NFS) mounted. Hmm, right. We could keep a list of all files that need fsyncing, and t