Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Ian Jackson schrieb: > Enrico Weigelt writes ("RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages "): > > I've collected several rules that upstreams should follow to make > > distro maintainer's life much easier: > > Thanks for doing this. But I have to say that the tone of your > document isn't really

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Jesús M. Navarro schrieb: > Think of the most probable environment where somebody goes with the hassle > of "compiling new package into old RHEL 2". Do you think such a chore is > taken out of fun? Or is it an environment where an overworked sysadmin at > charge of a lot of disparaged mach

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Enrico Weigelt writes: > * Russ Allbery schrieb: >> --enable/--disable is for internal features. --with/--without is for >> features that depend on external packages. See the Autoconf >> documentation. > This distinction is IMHO a wrong concept, that maybe gets more obvious > when internal fe

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Giacomo A. Catenazzi schrieb: > On 17.09.10 10:59, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > >* Vincent Bernat schrieb: > > > >>>Wait a minute! Arbitrary _users_ should never try to rebuild anything > >>>on a stable/production system. As soon as you're attempting that, > >>>you're stepping into the package maint

Bug#597245: ITP: gluon -- An open framework developing,playing and distributing games

2010-09-17 Thread Andreas Marschke
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Andreas Marschke * Package name: gluon Version : 0.70.0 Upstream Author : Arjen Hiemstra and others * URL : http://gluon.gamingfreedom.org * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : An open framework d

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Russ Allbery schrieb: Hi, > > With that I mean that you don't need to unpack multiple tarballs to > > get a working tree (Xorg/Xf86 was such a case, several years ago). > > Right. And I'm saying now that our packaging tools can handle that case, > it's not clear to me why Debian should be t

Bug#597228: ITP: minidlna -- server for DLNA/UPnP-AV clients

2010-09-17 Thread Eric Cooper
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eric Cooper * Package name: minidlna Version : 1.0.18-1 Upstream Author : Justin Maggard * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna * License : GPL and BSD Programming Lang: C Description : server for DLNA/U

Bug#508644: Sorting out mail-transport-agent mess for squeeze

2010-09-17 Thread Holger Levsen
On Freitag, 17. September 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: > and ssmtp misses a provides: default-mta - is that serious, > important, wishlist? > I'm filing an important bug on ssmtp now. aehm, no. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Yavor Doganov
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Russ Allbery schrieb: > > You're basically saying that people aren't allowed to use > > the typical Autoconf semantics of honoring --with and --without > They should use --enable-*/--disable-* flags for switching features. --with and --enable have different semantics, a

Bug#508644: Sorting out mail-transport-agent mess for squeeze

2010-09-17 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, http://paste.debian.net/90185/ - thats on a squeeze system - any ideas? bitten by "my own" bug: #508644 and ssmtp misses a provides: default-mta - is that serious, important, wishlist? the log mentioned above is this: r...@sun:~# dpkg -l ssmtp Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le temps de midi du vendredi 17 septembre 2010, vers 12:16, Ian Jackson disait : >> We just don't live in the same world. Keep living in your narrow-minded >> world where users are not allowed to compile themselves software and >> where all systems are up-to-date. In my real w

Re: ITP: mbrola-{br1,de4,de5,es2,fr1,gr1,us3} -- Voices for Mbrola

2010-09-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Georges Khaznadar, le Fri 17 Sep 2010 19:34:51 +0200, a écrit : > when I checked it one year ago, the license of mbrola's voices did not > allow redistribution. > Does this license allow to redistribute them now? It does permit if you ask. I have asked, upstream agreed, so it's ok. See the note in

Re: ITP: mbrola-{br1,de4,de5,es2,fr1,gr1,us3} -- Voices for Mbrola

2010-09-17 Thread Georges Khaznadar
Hello Samuel, when I checked it one year ago, the license of mbrola's voices did not allow redistribution. Does this license allow to redistribute them now? Best regards, Georges. Samuel Thibault a écrit : > - Forwarded message from Samuel Thibault - > > From: Samuel

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Enrico Weigelt writes: > * Russ Allbery schrieb: >> You've prohibited upstream distributions that come in multiple tarballs. > With that I mean that you don't need to unpack multiple tarballs to > get a working tree (Xorg/Xf86 was such a case, several years ago). Right. And I'm saying now th

Re: FTPMaster meeting, step1: New FTPMaster

2010-09-17 Thread Barry deFreese
Woohoo, congrats Torsten. Again, I must apologize for my extended absence, work and personal life are just insane right now. I hope it slows down in the winter and I will resume full duties. :( Thanks, Barry On 9/17/2010 11:52 AM, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Heyho, > > as you may have read in the

Bug#597202: ITP: kstars-data-extra-tycho2 -- Contains the Tycho2 star catalog for centralized install, avoiding per-user install

2010-09-17 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Noel David Torres Taño" Actually kstars offer each user to download some data, from the net, which causes bandwith and disk waste (See #596007). I will package one of those datafiles (one of the catalogs) to avoid that, and I want to package the remain

Bug#597196: ITP: neuron -- simulation environment for computational models of (networks of ) neurons

2010-09-17 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: NeuroDebian Team * Package name: neuron Version : 7.2 Upstream Author : Michael Hines and others * URL : http://www.neuron.yale.edu/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C, C++, Python Description : simulation envi

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Re: Moving package with quilt to new upstream version

2010-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push > > > > will do the same. You only need QUILT_PATCHES for the first quilt call. > > Is that so? That would be good news, but it doesn't match m

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Enrico: On Friday 17 September 2010 09:08:39 Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Vincent Bernat schrieb: > > >> Some users just don't have recent enough autotools to rebuild the > > >> configure. > > > > > > They should simply install it. Similar as they need recent toolchain, > > > make, pkg-config, e

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Vincent Bernat writes ("Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages"): > We just don't live in the same world. Keep living in your narrow-minded > world where users are not allowed to compile themselves software and > where all systems are up-to-date. In my real world, I have users that > a

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Weigelt writes ("RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages "): > I've collected several rules that upstreams should follow to make > distro maintainer's life much easier: Thanks for doing this. But I have to say that the tone of your document isn't really appropriate for the social context.

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 17.09.10 10:59, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Vincent Bernat schrieb: Wait a minute! Arbitrary _users_ should never try to rebuild anything on a stable/production system. As soon as you're attempting that, you're stepping into the package maintainer or developer role, and then you should *know* w

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Vincent Bernat schrieb: > > Wait a minute! Arbitrary _users_ should never try to rebuild anything > > on a stable/production system. As soon as you're attempting that, > > you're stepping into the package maintainer or developer role, and > > then you should *know* what you're doing (or at leas

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Russ Allbery schrieb: > Enrico Weigelt writes: > > > I've collected several rules that upstreams should follow to make > > distro maintainer's life much easier: > > > http://www.metux.de/index.php/de/component/content/article/57.html > > > Free feel to comment on it :) > > You've prohibited

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette matinée ensoleillée du vendredi 17 septembre 2010, vers 09:08, Enrico Weigelt disait : >> No, no, no. Users are not limited to Debian developers using Sid. Users >> may try to compile on an old RHEL 2. > In this case they should really *know* what they're doing. > RHEL is mea

Re: RFC: Rules for distro-friendly packages

2010-09-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Vincent Bernat schrieb: > >> Some users just don't have recent enough autotools to rebuild the > >> configure. > > > They should simply install it. Similar as they need recent toolchain, > > make, pkg-config, etc, etc. > > No, no, no. Users are not limited to Debian developers using Sid. Us