On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, David Paleino wrote:
> Daniel Burrows wrote:
>
> > [..]
> > I actually would prefer a Meta-Depends sort of solution. The
> > "dependencies" we're talking about are really not package dependencies
> > in the normal sense at all, and we shouldn't be confusing them with
> > no
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 06:11:46PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> The current proposal is not backwards compatible since it fundamentally
> changes the meaning of Depends. Depends is transitive. If A depends on
> B, and B depends on C. A can rely on functionality proveided by C.
> Your proposal br
[Kees Cook]
> As an example, I have a debdiff against openssh to use it:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561887
>
> With the new package, the arch-specific logic for hardening defaults
> is in one place, and a maintainer can selectively disable anything they
> don't want on by d
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 09:30:04PM +0100, David Paleino wrote:
> > Ubuntu defines a special archive section, 'metapackages', which results in
> > special tagging/handling of the Depends and Recommends of the package so
> > that they're not autoremoved if the metapackage is removed. This is
> > imp
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Hi David,
thanks for taking the initiative of improving the management of meta-packages.
As you see now, it is a big project !
Like any major change in the package management system, the safest solution to
the problem is patience: implement the solution in given release, let the users
have update
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Hi,
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 09:38:41PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> On 2009-11-05, Kees Cook wrote:
> > This would certainly be better than nothing, and better than the
> > hardening-wrapper package, but it would require that every package in
> > Debian be modified to respect external envir
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 09:24 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> >> > OSS
> >> > ---
> >> >
> >> > This has been a deprecated kernel interface for some time and will be
> >> > disabled for squeeze
> >
> > Done.
> >
> >> > with mechanisms put in plac
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> > OSS
>> > ---
>> >
>> > This has been a deprecated kernel interface for some time and will be
>> > disabled for squeeze
>
> Done.
>
>> > with mechanisms put in place to deal with legacy users.
>
> Er, not sure.
I guess oss4-dkms will be
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:16:02PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> maybe
> apt-get install liblockfile1
Possibly, but lockf() and fcntl() are usually better, and are present
in libc.
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 05:06:39PM +0100, David Paleino wrote:
>> In fact, when removing any dependency of the meta-package, it gets
>> removed as well, and all other dependencies become *leaf packages* that
>> autoremove will try to remove from the system. This is usually
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 05:06:39PM +0100, David Paleino wrote:
> In fact, when removing any dependency of the meta-package, it gets
> removed as well, and all other dependencies become *leaf packages* that
> autoremove will try to remove from the system. This is usually not
> what the users want, a
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maybe
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Excerpts from Faidon Liambotis's message of Sa Dez 19 21:54:08 +0100 2009:
> The above is incorrect; tail in coreutils >= 7.5 uses inotify and hence
> doesn't poll needlessly. Even if the package is still needed for some
> reason (e.g. non-linux ports), your description should be adjusted.
Ok, did
On Dec 20, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > The problem is in the other direction: new binaries reference
> > sym...@libfoo_1.0, so even if they work the old library the dynamic
> > linker outputs a warning at startup.
> Which is why Steve talked of a shlibdeps bump, which would cover this,
> since the
Daniel Burrows wrote:
> [..]
> I actually would prefer a Meta-Depends sort of solution. The
> "dependencies" we're talking about are really not package dependencies
> in the normal sense at all, and we shouldn't be confusing them with
> normal dependencies. IMO, that basic conflation, while a
I agree with Eugene: the spec as presented is flawed. All package
management tools (you forgot to list dpkg) treat Depends-satisfaction
as an invariant, and there isn't really a compelling reason for this
to change. The wording you present is a little confusing, but once
you work through it, it
Andreas Metzler wrote:
> David Paleino wrote:
>> Andreas Metzler wrote:
> [...]
>> I hope no-one ever depends on a meta-package.
>> Do you have any real case for this?
> [...]
>
> kde depends on kde-core.
And both are metapackages.
(apart from the fact that I can't find kde nor kde-core, but I
David Paleino wrote:
> Andreas Metzler wrote:
[...]
> I hope no-one ever depends on a meta-package.
> Do you have any real case for this?
[...]
kde depends on kde-core.
cu andreas
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George Danchev wrote:
> Eugene V. Lyubimkin writes:
>> No, it doesn't. Dpkg and any sane high-level package manager won't
>> consider installing/upgrading/keeping some package (meta or not) without
>> all Depends installed.
>
> I agree. That flies directly in the face of Policy definition of Depe
Andreas Metzler wrote:
> David Paleino wrote:
> [...]
>> With the *autoremove* command being now widely used, it can become
>> difficult for a user to install a meta-package but some packages it
>> depends on.
>
> I do not understand this, is there a word missing?
Probably I didn't use a clear
Eugene V. Lyubimkin writes:
> Hello,
>
> David Paleino wrote:
> > Implementation
>
> [...]
>
> > ### Package managers ###
>
> [...]
>
> > If any dependant package is a meta-package, as defined by this
> > document, it should **NOT** be removed, opposed to what the current
> > implementations d
David Paleino wrote:
> Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
>> No, it doesn't. Dpkg and any sane high-level package manager won't
>> consider installing/upgrading/keeping some package (meta or not) without
>> all Depends installed.
>
> We can always change our tools to comply with that, no? :)
Well, yes, bu
David Paleino wrote:
[...]
> With the *autoremove* command being now widely used, it can become
> difficult for a user to install a meta-package but some packages it
> depends on.
I do not understand this, is there a word missing?
[...]
> This document thus tries to introduce a new mechanism for
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On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 17:22 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Now that we have a 2.6.32 kernel in unstable, can you updates us
> on the various things mentioned in this mail?
>
> For instance, as I understand it, most other distro's recently
> had a release with a 2.6.31 kernel?
Fedora 12, Ubu
Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> Hello,
Hello Eugene,
thanks for your feedback.
> David Paleino wrote:
>> Implementation
> [...]
>> ### Package managers ###
> [...]
>> If any dependant package is a meta-package, as defined by this
>> document, it should **NOT** be removed, opposed to what the curren
Hello,
David Paleino wrote:
> Implementation
[...]
> ### Package managers ###
[...]
> If any dependant package is a meta-package, as defined by this
> document, it should **NOT** be removed, opposed to what the current
> implementations do. The package manager should then add the removed
> package
Hi,
Now that we have a 2.6.32 kernel in unstable, can you updates us
on the various things mentioned in this mail?
For instance, as I understand it, most other distro's recently
had a release with a 2.6.31 kernel? Do you know if there are
plans to have a kernel with backported drivers, one used
David Paleino wrote:
> Hello people,
> per the DEP process described at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/, this is
> the first call for comments on this proposal.
>
> Title: Meta-Package debian/control field
> DEP: 6
> [..]
Here's the full text, for your convenience:
Introduction
Hello people,
per the DEP process described at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep0/, this is
the first call for comments on this proposal.
Title: Meta-Package debian/control field
DEP: 6
State: DRAFT
Date: 2009-12-20
Drivers: David Paleino , Luca Bruno
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:17:12 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Dec 20, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> > > How can I write an ld linker script that will cause ld to output the
> > > same symbols two times, with and without a version tag?
> > > I.e. I need it to output both sym...@base and sym...@lib
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This one time, at band camp, jida...@jidanni.org said:
> OK, but can somebody adjust the spam filtering on
> debian-eeepc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> to make it just as spam free as
> debian-devel@lists.debian.org
I don't know why you insist on thinking -devel has anything to do with
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2009/12/20 Tom Feiner :
> Hi,
>
> stackoverflow.com, which is a website featuring questions and answers on
> a wide range of topics in computer programming, has just offered [1]
> free advertising for open source projects wanting to advertise
> recruiting of new volunteers.
>
> They get about 1 mil
#include
* Ben Hutchings [Sun, Dec 20 2009, 02:26:53AM]:
> On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 11:17 +1030, Ron wrote:
> [...]
> > I don't understand the pushback I'm getting on this. The bloat that was
> > already added _far_ outweighs the little extra it needs to fix it, and
> > that's before we save on prun
Hi,
stackoverflow.com, which is a website featuring questions and answers on
a wide range of topics in computer programming, has just offered [1]
free advertising for open source projects wanting to advertise
recruiting of new volunteers.
They get about 1 million page-views per day from developer
On Dec 20, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > How can I write an ld linker script that will cause ld to output the
> > same symbols two times, with and without a version tag?
> > I.e. I need it to output both sym...@base and sym...@libfoo_1.0.
> In what sense does this make it backward-incompatible? A s
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> OK, but can somebody adjust the spam filtering on
> debian-eeepc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> to make it just as spam free as
> debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Thanks.
And a pony. I suspect the pony is more on-topic here than eepc-devel's
spam
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 02:26:53AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 11:17 +1030, Ron wrote:
> [...]
> > I don't understand the pushback I'm getting on this. The bloat that was
> > already added _far_ outweighs the little extra it needs to fix it, and
> > that's before we save on
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Hi Charles,
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 09:56:29AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> By the way, there was an interesting discussion in bugs.debian.org/521810 a
> couple of monthes ago, which en
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