Bug#559524: ITP: libleocharre-perl -- Bundle of several modules in the LEOCHARRE:: namespace

2009-12-04 Thread Jonathan Yu
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jonathan Yu I hate the idea of this, but I have to do this because two LEOCHARRE modules are required by the new version of Wordpress::XMLRPC (already packaged; its upgrade has been blocked for a long time because of this) * Package name: libleocharre

Re: How to use binutils-gold

2009-12-04 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Benjamin Drung (05/12/2009): > I got some FTBFS with binutils-gold bug reports. How can I build my > packages using binutils-gold? What do I have to change for that? As for using it, given its postinst, I guess you only have to install it to use it. Didn't check, though. http://wiki.debian.org/q

Re: How to use binutils-gold

2009-12-04 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Benjamin Drung wrote: > Hi, > > I got some FTBFS with binutils-gold bug reports. How can I build my > packages using binutils-gold? What do I have to change for that? Just install it and then build your package (it diverts the linker so you just need to install it). Cheers, Emilio signature.a

How to use binutils-gold

2009-12-04 Thread Benjamin Drung
Hi, I got some FTBFS with binutils-gold bug reports. How can I build my packages using binutils-gold? What do I have to change for that? -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachricht

Re: Debian as open project

2009-12-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 01:07:22 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >Heck, during the past months I know that you (again, as in DPL+2IC) have >been doing stuff, quite a lot of very good stuff in fact, but nobody >knows that, beside who has spoken to you via some private media (I'm one >of them). Well sa

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 03 décembre 2009 à 19:28 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : >> There is currently discussion ongoing about how to move forward, though >> due to the complex nature of the current situation (where also lots of >> FUD etc is on the lists), it is being dealt in private. >

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le vendredi 4 décembre 2009 13:01:39, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > My reading of the above quoted test, is that Config::Model is not > seeking to replace debconf; it is going to use it as other packages do > for interacting with the user. Or, to be more precise, my understanding > is that the pac

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Joey Hess
Neil Williams wrote: > From an embedded perspective, we certainly don't want every > configurable package depending on perl at package installation / > upgrade time - that's why we have cdebconf. And if that argument had been used when debconf was being written, we might currently have neither deb

Re: mercurial-buildpackage, now with pristine-tar support

2009-12-04 Thread Jens Peter Secher
2009/12/3 Dmitrijs Ledkovs : > Does it support 3.0 (quilt) Yes. > and puts them into mercurial queues? No support for Mercurial Queues at the moment; see discussion a couple of weeks ago [1]. Instead it uses dpkg-source, that is, the dpkg-source built-in patch handler or Quilt if it is installe

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:46:04 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Oh, well, I should probably > just study Config::Model! Since you speak French you might be interested in Dominique's presentation at some French Perl meeting: http://fpw2009.ubicast.eu/videos/free/64/ Cheers, gregor -- .''`. h

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:38:19 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > * Or more generally: I want to preserve my locally modified values > > and at the same time update the rest which I haven't touched. > That's a user change, I thought the point of this was that changes *not > done by users* are causing

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 06:54:56PM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > The idea was to offer the user a possibility to bail out since > config-model is still experimental. But I'm beginning to wonder if > this is a good idea... IMO it is not, in the sense that it is quite pointless to put this choice

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:25:54 +0100 gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:32:13 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > Configuration file `/etc/sensors3.conf' > > > ==> File on system created by you or by a script. > > > ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. > > >Wh

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le vendredi 4 décembre 2009 19:00:55, Felipe Sateler a écrit : > Well, there is an abstract model of the config file. So yes, basically > it parses the file into an internal model. I believe the idea is to be > able to migrate automagically from one version to the next without user > intervention.

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:32:13 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > Configuration file `/etc/sensors3.conf' > > ==> File on system created by you or by a script. > > ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. > >What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: > > Y or I :

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Peter Schultz
The recent thread "RFC: organising focused BSPs" should have gotten this much attention. Debian is "behind" in many ways when it comes to the latest whatever, but I guess people will complain. I think Debian is amazing and will persevere. Thank you to those working so hard to make it so. Pete

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:10:20 +0100 Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Friday 04 December 2009 11:18:46 Neil Williams wrote: > > (FYI the upstream CPAN description doesn't answer any of my > > questions below either. At no point is a Config Model explained or > > described or is any attempt made to expla

Bug#559476: ITP: libpdl-netcdf-perl -- netcdf IO support for pdl (perl data language)

2009-12-04 Thread Henning Glawe
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Henning Glawe * Package name: libpdl-netcdf-perl Version : 4.02 Upstream Author : Doug Hunt * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~dhunt/PDL-NetCDF-4.02/ * License : Same terms as Perl Programming Lang: Perl Description

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:56 +, Neil Williams wrote: > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:29:28 -0300 > Felipe Sateler wrote: > > > > Where is the Model? > > > > > > Who designs the Model? > > > > You (or hopefully someone else who had the same config file syntax). > > Then it's a config file parser, n

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le vendredi 4 décembre 2009 10:57:51, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > I wonder why the detail about how the conf file is being upgraded should > be relevant to the final user at all. As you observe on the wiki page, > most lusers barely know of the existence of /etc, why should they care > about Con

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Michael Banck wrote: > When it came to evaluating the same for Debian, his technical opinion > won (e.g. the problem with setup.py changes mentioned some time ago) for > the time being, and now that python2.6 would be ready to upload, > Matthias turned ill (or was distracted by other real life stu

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 03 décembre 2009 à 22:46 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : >>> Many still seem to think that Ubuntu is sufficiently close to Debian >>> that work done in it should be easily transferrable. If this is not the >>> case, maybe we need to start treating Ubuntu more like we

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:48:00 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:04:04PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > So it claims but that still doesn't make sense. Merely repeating the > > statement without supporting the assertion doesn't help. > > Well, reading your posts I unders

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:29:28 -0300 Felipe Sateler wrote: > > Where is the Model? > > > > Who designs the Model? > > You (or hopefully someone else who had the same config file syntax). Then it's a config file parser, not a modeller? > > Is the model package specific or system-wide? > > File

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ reordering some quoted text ] On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:04:04PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > So it claims but that still doesn't make sense. Merely repeating the > statement without supporting the assertion doesn't help. Well, reading your posts I understand there is in fact a misunderstandin

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Friday 04 December 2009 11:18:46 Neil Williams wrote: > The package version doesn't sound like a new project, who is using it > (and why?). Sorry, that's a typo. The version is 0.640-3. The project is new. > (FYI the upstream CPAN description doesn't answer any of my questions > below either.

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 16:04 +, Neil Williams wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:53 +0100 > gregor herrmann wrote: > > > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:18:46 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > > > For more informations, see > > > > http://wiki.debian.org/PackageConfigUpgrade > > > Which describes the

rfkill (was: Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?)

2009-12-04 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Henrique de Moraes Holschuh may or may not have written... > On Wed, 02 Dec 2009, Norbert Preining wrote: [snip] >> My program allows exactely that, and uses either DBus/HAL interface >> of /dev/rfkill. > Just keep in mind that /dev/rfkill manipulates radios of a given _type_ as > a

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:45:53 +0100 gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:18:46 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > For more informations, see > > > http://wiki.debian.org/PackageConfigUpgrade > > Which describes the technical minutiae of the codebase without > > explaining the "big pict

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:18:46 +, Neil Williams wrote: > > For more informations, see http://wiki.debian.org/PackageConfigUpgrade > Which describes the technical minutiae of the codebase without > explaining the "big picture" benefits of using the model or how the > model proposes to "fix" the (

Re: Debian as open project

2009-12-04 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:54:51AM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > First of all an objection to the basic principle: the fact that the > > project "does not seem" to be able to have constructive discussion is > > not an argument for not having them. I believe that given you

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 11:35:30AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:08:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > > > The end user may have to answer a medium debconf question asking him > > > whether to upgrade foobar package with Config::Model. Hopefully, > > > that's all the

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:57:51 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:08:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > > The end user may have to answer a medium debconf question asking him > > whether to upgrade foobar package with Config::Model. Hopefully, > > that's all the end user

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:08:03 +0100 Dominique Dumont wrote: > The last version of libconfig-model-perl (640-3) is now shipped with > dh_config_model_upgrade. The package version doesn't sound like a new project, who is using it (and why?). (FYI the upstream CPAN description doesn't answer any of

Re: dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:08:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > The last version of libconfig-model-perl (640-3) is now shipped with > dh_config_model_upgrade. Cool, thanks for the update. > The end user may have to answer a medium debconf question asking him > whether to upgrade foobar pack

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Luk Claes writes: > This discussion on -devel is quite useless and contra productive for > everyone involved. > > There is currently discussion ongoing about how to move forward, though > due to the complex nature of the current situation (where also lots of > FUD etc is on the lists), it is bein

Re: FOSDEM 2010

2009-12-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:10:41AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Saturday 28 November 2009 15:50:37 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > For those of you who were waiting for a call for talks from me on this > > subject, it's not really coming. However, if you think your talk may be > > of some interes

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 03 décembre 2009 à 22:46 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : > > Many still seem to think that Ubuntu is sufficiently close to Debian > > that work done in it should be easily transferrable. If this is not the > > case, maybe we need to start treating Ubuntu more like we do Fedora. > > Because it

Processed: Re: Bug#559414: general: Strange keyboard problem

2009-12-04 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > reassign 559414 linux-2.6 Bug #559414 [general] general: Strange keyboard problem Bug reassigned from package 'general' to 'linux-2.6'. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system admin

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 03 décembre 2009 à 19:28 +0100, Luk Claes a écrit : > There is currently discussion ongoing about how to move forward, though > due to the complex nature of the current situation (where also lots of > FUD etc is on the lists), it is being dealt in private. This is absolute bullshit. The

dh_config_model_upgrade: package upgrade with Config::Model

2009-12-04 Thread Dominique Dumont
Hello The last version of libconfig-model-perl (640-3) is now shipped with dh_config_model_upgrade. The aim of dh_config_model_upgrade is to provide an easy way for a debian developer to add better configuration upgrade to the packages they maintain. Let's assume that Joe, debian developer, wa

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 01:14:36AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > The right thing, I think, is to do it in the open. IMHO the best thing to do would be to maintain the policy document in a reasonable VCS and commit frequently. People who are really interested will drain the needed in

Re: Debian as open project

2009-12-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven., 2009-12-04 at 07:54 +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > Sorry, but trying to have a constructive discussion in between > complaints, hijack scenarios and ill informed suggestions does not look > very tempting to me and quite frankly I don't know how to make such a > discussion constructive. The thi

Re: Has Debian abandoned Python?

2009-12-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 01:56:50 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > When it came to evaluating the same for Debian, his technical opinion > won (e.g. the problem with setup.py changes mentioned some time ago) for > the time being, and now that python2.6 would be ready to upload, > Matthias turned ill (

Bug#559414: general: Strange keyboard problem

2009-12-04 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
Package: general Severity: normal -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Heyho! Quite an annoying bug and no idea where to start looking... On this Atom (AOA 150; kernel, hal, udev, X mostly from sid or at least squeeze), I have now twice (both times after several suspend/wakeup cycles)