Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-11 Thread Y Giridhar Appaji Nag
On 09/05/07 17:55 +0530, Y Giridhar Appaji Nag said ... > I filed a lintian wishlist bug (#527363) requesting a I/W tag when non > documentation packages recommend documentation packages. > > With Install-Recommends being the default, many packages pull in a lot of > associated documentation. The

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog writes: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I still think Build-Options-Supported is fundamentally the wrong way >> to implement that. You have to modify every package to add it >> anyway, in which case you can just as easily support it in the >> package's debian/rules

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > If you refer to the fact, that dpkg-buildpackage cleans and rebuilds > > everything and that it can take a lot of time, then please stop using > > arguments that do not hold at all. you can call arbitrary debian/rules > > targets with dpkg-buildpacka

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > Raphael Hertzog writes: > > > BTW, just to make things clear. It's likely that those Makefile > > snippet (if we decide to go that way) become quite more elaborated as > > we try integrating support for things like hardening-wrapper (see > > #489771). E

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-11 Thread David Nusinow
Y Giridhar Appaji Nag wrote: > Hi debian-devel, > > From policy 7.2 Binary Dependencies - Depends, Recommends, Suggests, Enhances, > Pre-Depends > > Recommends > > This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. > > The Recommends field should list packages that would be found tog

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roger Leigh writes: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:59:36AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > A read-only / should work out of the box just like a read-only /usr. I >> > haven't installed a fresh one in a long while though so if you kn

Re: Using uscan with VCS hosting sites

2009-05-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ben Finney dijo [Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:31:02PM +1000]: > [no answers for this yet on ‘debian-mentors’, so trying here] > > Howdy all, > > I have an upstream for a package who has started using a VCS hosting > site for publishing the code. It's possible they will continue to make > tarball relea

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 04:38:59PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > There's a patch for /etc/mtab elimination; it's totally unneeded nowadays. More than unneeded, it is absolutely irrelevant when using mount namespaces. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Bug#528273: ITP: twittare -- A Twitter client for Linux written in Qt

2009-05-11 Thread Dominik George
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Dominik George * Package name: twittare Version : 0.7.42 Upstream Author : TabaréCaorsi * URL : http://www.twittare.com/ * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : A Twitter client for Linux written

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Simon Josefsson , 2009-05-11, 15:06: What about msmtp? http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/ AFAIK msmtp does not support local mail delivery. I suspect that is part of the design goal of msmtp. Local mail delivery can be handled by other tools, can't it? Generally, it seems like a good idea to s

[Announce] Intel and Nokia announce open source telephony project (oFono)

2009-05-11 Thread Aki Niemi
Intel and Nokia are pleased to jointly announce the oFono project (http://ofono.org), an open source project for developing an open source telephony solution. oFono.org is a place to bring developers together around designing an infrastructure for building mobile telephony (GSM/UMTS) applications.

Bug#528247: ITP: python-django-djapian -- Full-text search for Django

2009-05-11 Thread Mikhail Lukyanchenko
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mikhail Lukyanchenko * Package name: python-django-djapian Version : 2.2.1 * URL : http://code.google.com/p/djapian/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description : Search API for Django with Xapian -- T

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 03:43:41PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > You are a very special case: a developer since very long time, with a > enormous knowledge of debian policy (and dpkg internal). > But I really think that most people outside DD use dpkg-buildpackage > because it is the easier

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> The only builds Debian supports are not just the buildd ones. As >> members of the free software community, we should also cater to end >> users building, tweaking, and rebuilding our software. > You are a very special case: a

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog writes: > BTW, just to make things clear. It's likely that those Makefile > snippet (if we decide to go that way) become quite more elaborated as > we try integrating support for things like hardening-wrapper (see > #489771). Expect stuff like "if debian/control has > Build-Optio

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:20:44AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, May 11 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > > >> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >>> > A separate /usr *is* the way to go if you don't want any writes in > >>>

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, May 11 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> I would prefer Debian to remain a full fledged member of the free >> software community, and continue to not let build behaviour diverge >> whether or not dpkg-buildpackage was used -- which can

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, May 11 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > >> On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>> > A separate /usr *is* the way to go if you don't want any writes in >>> > that filesystem 99.9% of the time (i.e. when you're not doing an >>> > upgrad

Tasks field in packages file

2009-05-11 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 8 May 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote in [1]: Those tasks are read from the Packages files (the Task: field that some entries have). I'm not sure how this field is managed. When trying to track down the origin of the task column in UDD[1] I learned that it is just copied from the task field

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, May 10 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 11:37:46PM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:56:04 Steve Langasek wrote: I thought it was generally recognized that it's a Bad Idea to implement config files using your interpreter

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Simon Josefsson
Jakub Wilk writes: > * Simon Josefsson , 2009-05-11, 12:55: > +1 for ssmtp I found ssmtp couldn't cope with mail my various systems were generating, something about fixed maximum buffer lengths from memory. >>> >>> Please not ssmtp. If I recall it correctly I found no way to get it

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:59:36AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > A read-only / should work out of the box just like a read-only /usr. I > > haven't installed a fresh one in a long while though so if you know of > > problems speak up

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Holger Levsen writes: Hi, On Sonntag, 10. Mai 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: With the include approach, we lack this feature and bad/broken local overrides can't be detected if we only have the build log at hand. which reminds me that we dont have build logs for pro

Re: [RFC] New hylafax package: getting rid of the twin directories structure

2009-05-11 Thread Giuseppe Sacco
Il giorno lun, 11/05/2009 alle 15.06 +0200, Marco d'Itri ha scritto: [...] > > With 2.6 kernels, we may use the "bind" option in order to mount > > a /etc/hylafax on /var/spool/hylafax/etc. So, I am finally moving to > > this new configuration, but I have a few concern that I would like to > > shar

Re: [RFC] New hylafax package: getting rid of the twin directories structure

2009-05-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 11, Giuseppe Sacco wrote: > delivering packages that do not work with kernel 2.4. Now I believe that > 2.4 kernel is no more supported. This has been true since lenny. > With 2.6 kernels, we may use the "bind" option in order to mount > a /etc/hylafax on /var/spool/hylafax/etc. So, I am f

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > A read-only / should work out of the box just like a read-only /usr. I > haven't installed a fresh one in a long while though so if you know of > problems speak up so bugs can be filed and packages can be fixed. Last time I tried it, /etc was a pr

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Simon Josefsson , 2009-05-11, 12:55: +1 for ssmtp I found ssmtp couldn't cope with mail my various systems were generating, something about fixed maximum buffer lengths from memory. Please not ssmtp. If I recall it correctly I found no way to get it to send mail to a exim-based smarthost vi

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > A separate /usr *is* the way to go if you don't want any writes in >> > that filesystem 99.9% of the time (i.e. when you're not doing an >> > upgrade). >> >> A read-only / does the trick just as well. And

Re: Possible mass bug filing: non-doc packages recommending doc packages

2009-05-11 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Travis Crump wrote: > Daniel Burrows wrote: >> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 02:58:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery >> was heard to say: I think that lintian warning is the right way to do it. >>> I don't -- I think there are too many false positives for a lintian >>> warning given the thread. I also thin

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > A separate /usr *is* the way to go if you don't want any writes in > > that filesystem 99.9% of the time (i.e. when you're not doing an > > upgrade). > > A read-only / does the trick just as well. And if you don't want > writes to /usr you proba

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Simon Josefsson
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2009-05-11, Brian May wrote: >> On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:31:07PM +0200, Jens Peter Secher wrote: >>> +1 for ssmtp >> I found ssmtp couldn't cope with mail my various systems were >> generating, something about fixed maximum buffer lengths from memory. > > Please not s

[RFC] New hylafax package: getting rid of the twin directories structure

2009-05-11 Thread Giuseppe Sacco
Hi all, I am packaging the new hylafax version, 6.0. Now that Lenny has been released I am taking squeeze as base distribution, but I would also give support to older distribution. Starting from sarge, all users where strongly advised to update to 2.6 kernel; etch and lenny started delivering packa

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-05-11, Brian May wrote: > On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:31:07PM +0200, Jens Peter Secher wrote: >> +1 for ssmtp > I found ssmtp couldn't cope with mail my various systems were > generating, something about fixed maximum buffer lengths from memory. Please not ssmtp. If I recall it correctly

Bug#528185: ITP: haskell-bzlib -- Haskell bindings to the bzip2 library

2009-05-11 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Erik de Castro Lopo * Package name: haskell-bzlib Version : 0.5.0.0 Upstream Author : Duncan Coutts * URL : http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/bzlib * License : BSD-style Programming Lang: Has

Re: Environment variables, debian/rules and dpkg-buildpackage

2009-05-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On Monday 11 May 2009 09:49:31 Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2009, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Well, debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage most of the time, unless you give a > > specific target (which would again possibly be of interest to those who > > are interested in calling debian/rules b

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-11 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On Monday 11 May 2009 07:45:02 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Changing defaults with a large installed base begs the > question: Why? Random churn for churns sake is not the answer. But upgrades would (should?) keep exim installed. A new default would only affect new installations. -- To