On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Mon Apr 06 11:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > So lets get grub2 working everywhere. :) A worthy goal.
> Sure, but don't remove lilo until we're happy that grub2 does work
> everywhere.
And that we have something resembling acceptable, up-to-date
Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:51:54AM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> There still should be some humans
> in Maintainer/Uploaders who are taking primary responsibility for the
> package, but I think other team members should be able to do QA-style
> fixes and transition uploads without using NMU ve
Martin Wuertele wrote:
> Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
> LVM, even if your /boot is an differen partition/sw-raid. Therefore lilo
> should at least remain for sqeeze to ensure a proper upgrade path.
I'm afraid you're mistaken here. Lenny D-I should (and AFAIK
Hello,
I'd like to package the selinux tests from the ltp test suite. The tests
need a special selinux policy to be loaded and some files to be relabeled.
I haven't found any standard way of packaging this, so I made an
experimental package (see [1]; it sort of works - not completely, like 1
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
> The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
> patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
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This one time, at band camp, Paul Wise said:
> Grub2 in lenny and later contains an lvm module:
>
> /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/lvm.mod
>
> Has anyone who uses lilo for this tried grub2?
hadrian:~# mount
/dev/mapper/HADRIAN-ROOT on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> >
> > || On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
> > wrote:
> >
> > || > I use li
I demand that William Pitcock may or may not have written...
[snip]
> Have you looked into ext2linux? It is intended to supercede lilo. I think
> your usage requirements will be satisfied by it.
No; I've not heard of it before.
And I can't find it, at least not reasonably easily... :-|
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Bart Samwel wrote:
>> 1. The upstream for this package is Ubuntu. Ubuntu has never been very
>> cooperative at accepting changes, until recently: our contact Steve
>> Langasek has indicated that he is interested in merging most or al
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:51:54AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog writes:
>
> > The point of team upload is precisely so that you can update the package
> > and not take responsibility for a package that you don't want to
> > maintain in the long run.
> >
> > I was in many Uploaders
WP> No, the answer is always the second one.
If they add a scheduler (why not? :-\) into the
grub it will be become Linux.
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Michael Biebl wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh will take care of cleaning up /var/tmp.
/var/run, of
course.
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Why is it t
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 20:42 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Sure it can. But I consider this solution very ugly and refused to do this so
> far. For the reasons already mentioned it also makes the (previouly init
> system
> agnostic) D-Bus service dependend on sysv-rc.
Wait, now I'm confused. Why w
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> The point of team upload is precisely so that you can update the package
> and not take responsibility for a package that you don't want to
> maintain in the long run.
>
> I was in many Uploaders field because lintian complain if you are not in
> Uploaders/Maintainer, ye
Michael Biebl writes:
> What can be said though is, that all packages that need a /var/run/
> directory must be fixed. (for the numbers: maybe a new archive scan with
> the new lintian would help to see, how many packages are affected) so it
> at least requires work by the maintainers.
This is i
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:14:51AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>>> Ubuntu. The FHS is silent about directories in /var/run across reboots
>>> but requires that all files in /var/run be deleted on reboot.
>
4.) You have to manually cleanup in postrm. (I guess most pack
Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Petter Reinholdtsen dijo [Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 06:42:29AM +0200]:
>> Not quite sure what the question is. As far as I know, Debian
>> supported tmpfs mounted /var/run when I become co-maintainer of
>> sysvinit, and I have tried to keep it this way. The only recent
>> changes
* William Pitcock [2009-04-06 17:48]:
> chainloader will work with lilo, but lilo is only kept around for the
> people who are crazy and booting off LVMs as it is.
>
> Booting off LVMs is supported directly by grub2 and ext2linux could
> probably be modified to support it in a much better way tha
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
> I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
From lilo package BTS which I was tracking for l10n purposes. So I
just happened to notice William's answer to a bug report and thought
it would be good for this to be discussed in pu
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
>
> || On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
> wrote:
>
> || > I use lilo, I like lilo.
> || > I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, u
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:06 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
> wrote:
> > OS> I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
> > OS> possible I do belive it should be kept.
> >
> > I use lilo, I like lilo.
> > I don't lik
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:52:54 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> In Debian we have several teams working on maintaining large numbers
> of packages (pkg-games, pkg-perl, pkg-gnome for example).
True :)
> I
> proposed[1] to silence the lintian NMU warnings in the case of "team
> uploads"; where the person
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
|| On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
wrote:
|| > I use lilo, I like lilo.
|| > I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
|| > behavior, strange reconfig-system. I don't like the pr
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:40 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> William Pitcock wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> >> Frans Pop wrote:
> >>> On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
> >
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
wrote:
> OS> I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
> OS> possible I do belive it should be kept.
>
> I use lilo, I like lilo.
> I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
> behavior, st
OS> I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
OS> possible I do belive it should be kept.
I use lilo, I like lilo.
I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
behavior, strange reconfig-system. I don't like the programs with
perverse intellect. Grub is
Romain Beauxis (06/04/2009):
> Couldn't this also be a line in the changelog ?
Like the trailer line, yes.
> This is not a standard but this is done in many cases:
>
> [ Romain Beauxis ]
> * Upload to $TARGET
Dunno about others, but I just see that as: this person chose to target
this or tha
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Frans Pop wrote:
> > On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
> >> Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
> >>> lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
> >>> the widespread availabil
William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread ava
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 10:44 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Frans Pop writes:
>
> > On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> > I do not have time to manage the removal at this point, but it will
> >> > be gone by June.
> >
> > Has the package already been offered for a
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:54AM -0500, William Pitcock
wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
> > You can't specify boot options per entry (there's only a global option
> > in /etc/default grub, that applies to all entries).
>
> Sure you can, just don't use update-
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 15:09 +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
> I demand that Otavio Salvador may or may not have written...
>
> > Frans Pop writes:
> [snip]
> >> Anyone remember the fairly big upset when lilo was removed from testing
> >> around D-I Lenny Beta2?
>
> > I also share the feeling that a l
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread availability of alternatives.
I think that last part is debatable.
I do not have time t
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:03:10 +0800
> Paul Wise wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> >
> > > I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that
> > > was the major reason for the previous deb
Le Monday 06 April 2009 16:08:36 Cyril Brulebois, vous avez écrit :
> Indeed, I like to know who took the “this package can be uploaded”
> decision, which is a bit more important than just committing a fix in
> $VCS and adding ones name to the changelog. A bit of final review has to
> be done, to e
Petter Reinholdtsen dijo [Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 06:42:29AM +0200]:
> Not quite sure what the question is. As far as I know, Debian
> supported tmpfs mounted /var/run when I become co-maintainer of
> sysvinit, and I have tried to keep it this way. The only recent
> changes it that it has become eas
I demand that Otavio Salvador may or may not have written...
> Frans Pop writes:
[snip]
>> Anyone remember the fairly big upset when lilo was removed from testing
>> around D-I Lenny Beta2?
> I also share the feeling that a lot of people still use LILO; if possible
> I do belive it should be ke
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:03:10 +0800
Paul Wise wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
>
> > I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that
> > was the major reason for the previous debate about the removal of
> > lilo.
>
> Grub2 in lenny and later contain
Raphael Hertzog (06/04/2009):
> Except when you have multiple people listed you don't know who
> uploaded without resorting to who-uploads (or gpg check).
Not to mention cases where 5 people are listed there, and the package
got sponsored by even someone else (any idea how many NMs there were in
Frans Pop writes:
> On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
[...]
>> > I do not have time to manage the removal at this point, but it will
>> > be gone by June.
>
> Has the package already been offered for adoption? Preferably with an
> overview of its current (upstream) status and m
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> For blaming, there should be the specific name of the responsible in the
> changelog. Also, it seems meaningful to me that the changelog is named after
> the team, it seems to be equivalent to the real world "on behalf of the XXX
> team".
Except when
On Mon Apr 06 11:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
> So lets get grub2 working everywhere. :) A worthy goal.
>
Sure, but don't remove lilo until we're happy that grub2 does work
everywhere.
Matt
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Le Monday 06 April 2009 12:27:22 Raphael Hertzog, vous avez écrit :
> > You can put the team name and mailing list in the changelog. That will
> > avoid the lintian warning and you can look for team uploads by looking at
> > uploads with the team name in the Changed-By field. A recent example:
>
>
Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2009, Steffen Moeller wrote:
>
>> we should ask the technical committee to rule over it. And maybe this
>> needs some voting in the end.
>
> Who is this *we*? Do you volunteer?
:) no, since I personally see no preferable alternative to the current
conflicti
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Please remove package cle from unstable / testing; source and
binaries. It is dead upstream (no release since 1999), and since I
uploaded it to Debian better alternatives have appeared (such as
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Some Debian-local work has been done in the rather di
Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:52:22PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> On 06/04/09 at 19:48 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:13:45PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> > > On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > > I think that it is a good concept, but the linian w
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:44:54PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Heya, we have several packages implementing line-editing
> capabilities. I know at least 3 of them: "cle", "ledit", and
> "rlwrap", but there might be others.
Oh yes. Hmm... cle is dead upstream, rather buggy with no progress
w
* Felipe Sateler [Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:58:23 +1100]:
> > * plan for libjack0.100.0-0: there are 11 source packages left with
> > dependencies on this old library. No sourceful uploads are needed
> > for this: once you’ve gotten back to me that the plan is good, I
> > will provide you with
On 06/04/09 at 19:48 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:13:45PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> > On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > > I think that it is a good concept, but the linian warning has probably a
> > > good
> > > reason to exist. For instance, if a
Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 12:13:45PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > I think that it is a good concept, but the linian warning has probably a
> > good
> > reason to exist. For instance, if a bug is closed as part of a "Team
> > upload",
> > won't th
Heya, we have several packages implementing line-editing
capabilities. I know at least 3 of them: "cle", "ledit", and "rlwrap",
but there might be others. Some are implemented on top of GNU
readline, some are not (e.g. "ledit"), nevertheless they all seem to
offer a common interface "NAME command"
Hi,
I wonder whether this shouldnt have been on d-d-a. I think it should have :)
regards,
Holger, now also wondering if I should send this mail in private ;-)
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On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > So I object to using NMU version for team uploads but I would like to
> > have a mechanism for a team upload that doesn't lead to people adding
> > themselves in Uploaders when they don't have a (real/long-term) commitm
Hi,
although for various reasons (mostly ongoing transitions) we are quite
late in packaging GNOME 2.26 in Debian, we should also look at the
future. GTK+ 3.0 is planned around march 2010, and GNOME 3.0 a little
while later. With them comes the final deprecation of many GNOME 2.X
interfaces.
It t
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> So I object to using NMU version for team uploads but I would like to
> have a mechanism for a team upload that doesn't lead to people adding
> themselves in Uploaders when they don't have a (real/long-term) commitment
> to the package.
You can put the team name and mailin
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> I think that it is a good concept, but the linian warning has probably a good
> reason to exist. For instance, if a bug is closed as part of a "Team upload",
> won't the BTS expect a NMU acknowledgement anyway?
IIRC that concept died when we introduced
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> > would really be a waste of time that would anihilate the efficiency
> > of working in a team.
>
> The only "burden" I propose imposing is the NMU versioning, which does
> not feel to me like it is additional work. Instead of writing "-3",
> write
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> Just like NMUs: just because a package had a small number of NMUs does
> not mean it needs special QA attention. But a pattern of only NMUs is
> a tag for QA attention. As Paul means them (I'm in the team, but for
The point of team upload is precise
> Joerg Jaspert disait :
>
>> we just added two new architectures to the Debian archive. Everybody
>> please welcome
>
>> kfreebsd-i386 AKA GNU/kFreeBSD i386
>> kfreebsd-amd64 AKA GNU/kFreeBSD amd64
Hi Joerg,
What should be done with amd64-libs and ia32-libs now? Can we add
those archs to
Matthew Johnson writes:
> On Mon Apr 06 08:55, Frans Pop wrote:
>> > This is a heads up mail for the D-I team.
>>
>> I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
>> discussed on d-devel, especially since it impacts more than just D-I. I
>> suspect there are quite a f
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that was the
> major reason for the previous debate about the removal of lilo.
Grub2 in lenny and later contains an lvm module:
/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/lvm.mod
Has anyone who uses
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:46:19AM +0200, Romain Beauxis wrote:
> Le Monday 06 April 2009 08:18:33 Lionel Elie Mamane, vous avez écrit :
>> My reasoning is that a package that has had only "team uploads" for
>> three years is a package where effectively no human is taking charge
>> for maintaining
Le Monday 06 April 2009 09:32:14 Matthew Johnson, vous avez écrit :
> > > Don't we have some install paths that still depend on LILO?
> >
> > Yes: /boot on LVM is the main one.
>
>
> We _certainly_ shouldn't throw it out if there are _known_ situations
> for which it's required.
>
> By all means
Le Monday 06 April 2009 08:18:33 Lionel Elie Mamane, vous avez écrit :
> My reasoning is that a package that has had only "team uploads" for
> three years is a package where effectively no human is taking charge
> for maintaining it, just as a package that has had only NMU uploads in
> three years;
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Bart Samwel wrote:
> black hole. Things suddenly got much easier when I got into direct
> contact with you. But I shouldn't be blaming Ubuntu, my expectations just
> didn't match the way Ubuntu works.
To be fair, I proposed co-maintenance to Matthew Garrett when I
integrated
Michael Meskes wrote:
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Bart Samwel wrote:
I'm putting the acpi-support package up for adoption. The RFA bug is here:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522683
Given that I already maintain acpid in pkg-acpi, I'm very interested. And yes,
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 05:05:40PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:52:54AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
> >
> > In Debian we have several teams working on maintaining large numbers
> > of packages (pkg-games, pkg-perl, pkg-gnome for example). I
> > proposed[1] to silence th
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Le lundi 06 avril 2009 à 06:18 +0900, Hideki Yamane a écrit :
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:51:28 +0100
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > In which case the correct approach, I think, is to remove all the
> > ttf-japanese-* in Provides:, and upload new ttf-japanese-gothic/mincho
> > packages that depend on
Hi Steve,
On Mon, April 6, 2009 05:44, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Bart Samwel wrote:
>> 1. The upstream for this package is Ubuntu. Ubuntu has never been very
>> cooperative at accepting changes, until recently: our contact Steve
>> Langasek has indicated tha
Le Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:52:54AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
>
> In Debian we have several teams working on maintaining large numbers
> of packages (pkg-games, pkg-perl, pkg-gnome for example). I
> proposed[1] to silence the lintian NMU warnings in the case of "team
> uploads"; where the person d
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 11:06:15PM +0200, Bart Samwel wrote:
> I'm putting the acpi-support package up for adoption. The RFA bug is here:
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522683
Given that I already maintain acpid in pkg-acpi, I'm very interested. And yes,
the acpi team will w
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 09:27:53AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:18:33AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:52:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>>> I proposed[1] to silence the lintian NMU warnings in the case of
>>> "team uploads"; where the pers
On Mon Apr 06 08:55, Frans Pop wrote:
> > This is a heads up mail for the D-I team.
>
> I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
> discussed on d-devel, especially since it impacts more than just D-I. I
> suspect there are quite a few packages that make some sort o
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:18:33AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:52:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>
> > In Debian we have several teams working on maintaining large numbers
> > of packages (pkg-games, pkg-perl, pkg-gnome for example). I
> > proposed[1] to silence the
On Mon Apr 06 08:18, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:52:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>
> > In Debian we have several teams working on maintaining large numbers
> > of packages (pkg-games, pkg-perl, pkg-gnome for example). I
> > proposed[1] to silence the lintian NMU warnings
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