Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,12.Jul.08, 06:12:33, Joe Smith wrote: > However, if the security updates come from trusted security mirrors rather > than > a general mirror, that attack would fail too. So with the exception of Sid or > Testing users that do not use the testing-security system to receive security > updat

Re: Packages not removable because the `/etc/init.d/package stop' fails.

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:52:36PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well, it's an RC bug (violation of the must in Policy 9.3.2) for the > > stop action of an init script to fail if the daemon is not running, > > which is fairly serious. I think it could w

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Joe Smith
Florian Weimer deneb.enyo.de> writes: > > * Ron Johnson: > > > http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html > > > > What are people's thoughts on this? > > HTTPS doesn't help against non-trusted mirrors. > > The difficult question is how to t

Re: Packages not removable because the `/etc/init.d/package stop' fails.

2008-07-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it's an RC bug (violation of the must in Policy 9.3.2) for the > stop action of an init script to fail if the daemon is not running, > which is fairly serious. I think it could well warrant a stable update > if it's causing problems for upgrades to

Re: Packages not removable because the `/etc/init.d/package stop' fails.

2008-07-11 Thread Russ Allbery
Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems that some packaged daemons use a combination of scripts that > sometimes makes them difficult to remove on Etch: > > - prerm stops the daemon and exits if it fails This is generally correct. If the daemon can't shut down cleanly, continuing

Packages not removable because the `/etc/init.d/package stop' fails.

2008-07-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi all, It seems that some packaged daemons use a combination of scripts that sometimes makes them difficult to remove on Etch: - prerm stops the daemon and exits if it fails - /etc/init.d/package stops the daemon using start-stop-daemon and fails if it was not running. As a result, if the

Re: A few Questions: Creating an arch indep pkg.

2008-07-11 Thread Ben Finney
Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: […] Brian, the questions you asked are best asked on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll follow up with some answers there. -- \ “People's Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: Stop the Laurasian | `\ Separatist Movement!” —wiredog, http://kuro5hin.org/ | _

A few Questions: Creating an arch indep pkg.

2008-07-11 Thread Brian
Q1) What's the difference between Build-Depends-Indep and Build-Depends? I am creating a new package. * The source package requires i386 to build and has many dependencies. * The binary package is architechure independent and has no dependencies. How should I use Build-Depends? I was thinking: B

Re: Kernel 2.6.25 broke iPod support for me, but who to bug?

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 02:19:58AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > While testing some updates to my gtkpod/libgpod packages I noticed that > I couldn't actually play any songs anymore from my iPod. Which worked > fine some weeks ago. > I traced the error back to a change in kernel 2.6.25: Appar

Re: Kernel 2.6.25 broke iPod support for me, but who to bug?

2008-07-11 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 09:11:57PM -0400, James Vega wrote: > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 02:19:58AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > > Hi. > > > > While testing some updates to my gtkpod/libgpod packages I noticed that > > I couldn't actually play any songs anymore from my iPod. Which worked > > fin

Re: DPL teams survey summary summary [METOO]

2008-07-11 Thread s. keeling
Per Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 8. Publicise more clearly the places where new people could help > > out. I'm commonly asked by people how they could get involved in > > Debian, or what tasks most urgently need

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-11 Thread s. keeling
Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980 > > > > I just find it wierd that there doesn't appear to be a single person > >

Re: correct definition of localhost?

2008-07-11 Thread s. keeling
["Followup-To:" header set to linux.debian.devel.] sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 06:40:05 pm Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Ulrich made the change, and he's not exactly known for giving helpful > > explanations. Apparently he thinks bug ping-pong is a better use of his

Re: Kernel 2.6.25 broke iPod support for me, but who to bug?

2008-07-11 Thread James Vega
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 02:19:58AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > Hi. > > While testing some updates to my gtkpod/libgpod packages I noticed that > I couldn't actually play any songs anymore from my iPod. Which worked > fine some weeks ago. > > I traced the error back to a change in kernel 2.6

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:48:03AM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: > > Maybe a check should be added to APT to flag a warning if there has been no > > updates for a significant period of time? That way if a mirror ever does > > that, its more detect

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:48:03AM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: > Maybe a check should be added to APT to flag a warning if there has been no > updates for a significant period of time? That way if a mirror ever does > that, its more detectable. That really doesn't make any sense for stable us

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It doesn't have to have updated packages, maybe have something like this APT-Ping: *timestamp* and then push out a new packages file with just an updated timestamp in it. Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comme

Kernel 2.6.25 broke iPod support for me, but who to bug?

2008-07-11 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
Hi. While testing some updates to my gtkpod/libgpod packages I noticed that I couldn't actually play any songs anymore from my iPod. Which worked fine some weeks ago. I traced the error back to a change in kernel 2.6.25: Apparently vfat file system can now become case sensitive in some cases ("FA

Re: [RFH] #486212 reportbug-ng segfaults

2008-07-11 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Bastian Venthur [Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:16 +0200]: > Thanks for the hint, unfortunately that didn't help. I've rebuild > python-qt3 with CXXFLAGS="-Wall -g -O0" but rng is still segfaulting. > There is also no bugreport in python-qt3 indicating that someone else > has this problem. FWIW se

Re: status of default syslog daemon for lenny

2008-07-11 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jonas Meurer] > Forwarding the mail to debian-devel. Are there any objections by > developers against rsyslog as default syslog daemon? No objection. Just a small report that Debian Edu already switched to rsyslog for our Lenny based version, and it seem to work just fine. Because debootstrap cl

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le temps de midi du vendredi 11 juillet 2008, vers 12:18, Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait : > The problem I see with that is that people will be left without a > supported dom0 kernel at some point during the etch lifetime. Do we have > a plan to address that? Shouldn't we

Re: DPL teams survey summary summary

2008-07-11 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:20:00 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > As you may remember, back before I started the DPL job I promised to > run a survey. Thanks for your work! > 2. On the flip side of that, I'd also like to ask the members of the >teams that are acknowledged to perform well to help

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:12:23AM +0200]: > The separation of a Debian menu and a "desktop" menu has been seen by > some as a feature. I remember a post on Planet Debian by one of the > GNOME maintainers (although I don't recall who it was) who explicitly > said that he would no

Re: RFC: Removal of user/groups

2008-07-11 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 11/07/2008 Carl Fürstenberg wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 17:25, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think it would be helpful to use the previous 400 discussions of the > > same topic as a starting point, and only bring it up again if there are > > new arguments. > > Have prob

Re: RFC: Removal of user/groups

2008-07-11 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 17:25, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it would be helpful to use the previous 400 discussions of the > same topic as a starting point, and only bring it up again if there are > new arguments. Have problem finding such discussion. Do you have any referen

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ron Johnson: > http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html > > What are people's thoughts on this? HTTPS doesn't help against non-trusted mirrors. The difficult question is how to tell an APT source which is not updated regularly from an APT

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Casadevall
Maybe a check should be added to APT to flag a warning if there has been no updates for a significant period of time? That way if a mirror ever does that, its more detectable. Michael On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Steinar H. Gunderson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:36:

Re: RFC: Removal of user/groups

2008-07-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Carl Fürstenberg said: > Per an discussion in IRC about removal of user or groups when purging > packages, I though of asking for comments about a proposal of updating > the policy. > > Basically the idea is that, if a package is creating an user or an > group, that is

RFC: Removal of user/groups

2008-07-11 Thread Carl Fürstenberg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Per an discussion in IRC about removal of user or groups when purging packages, I though of asking for comments about a proposal of updating the policy. Basically the idea is that, if a package is creating an user or an group, that is dynamically allo

Bug#490343: ITP: libgetopt-long-descriptive-perl -- Getopt::Long with usage text

2008-07-11 Thread eloy
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Krzysztof Krzyżaniak (eloy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: libgetopt-long-descriptive-perl Version : 0.074 Upstream Author : http://search.cpan.org/dist/Getopt-Long-Descriptive/ * URL : Hans Dieter Pearcey <[EMAIL PROTECTE

menu applications-merged

2008-07-11 Thread Anthony
hi everybody..! i am trying to add my personal menu in the gnome menu and kde menu. so i have created a my.menu and the .directory and associated a .desktop. This is OK in KDE BUT In gnome, the my.menu in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged don't seems to be read does anybody have alre

Re: .desktop files of GNOME apps and path to these applications

2008-07-11 Thread Joey Hess
Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Depending on the environment makes the system less predictable. So does accepting input from the keyboard and network. Also, I've found that systems without a regular input of electrons have a much more reliable behavior. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digit

Re: Help: Strange 64bit issue

2008-07-11 Thread Arthur Loiret
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:37:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: >> Do you have the right kernel and libc installed? > > What is "the right" kernel / libc??? > > $ uname -a > Linux wr-linux02 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 20:20:49 UTC 2008 i686 > GNU/Linux > > It was installed via the the Debian ke

Re: Help: Strange 64bit issue

2008-07-11 Thread Mark Brown
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 02:40:17PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Manuel Prinz wrote: > >With these fixes it still did not build on my system. I needed to change > >the Build-Depends on lib64z1-dev into zlib1g-dev to get it to build in a > >clean pbuilder chroot. > Well, I gue

Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:36:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html > > What are people's thoughts on this? It's been known for quite a while. (I asked one of the guys publishing it, and he was fully aware

Re: Help: Strange 64bit issue

2008-07-11 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Manuel Prinz wrote: With these fixes it still did not build on my system. I needed to change the Build-Depends on lib64z1-dev into zlib1g-dev to get it to build in a clean pbuilder chroot. Well, I guess that lib64z1-dev will not exist for amd64 and that this whole mess is

Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html What are people's thoughts on this? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doome

Re: Help: Strange 64bit issue

2008-07-11 Thread Manuel Prinz
Hi Andreas! Am Dienstag, den 08.07.2008, 14:26 +0200 schrieb Andreas Tille: > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, William Pitcock wrote: > > > If you do build-depends on gcc-multilib and g++-multilib, it should fix > > this problem. > > As I said it fixes the build problem - but now I have a package with a > no

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 11/07/08 at 12:18 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/07/08 at 11:24 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > > - all major distros shipped with "full" Xen support > > > > RHEL5/FC8 are 2.6.18 based and ships full support. SLES10 is 2.6.16 based > > and ships full support. FC9 is 2.6.24 based

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:18:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 11/07/08 at 11:24 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > Anything else can be considered more or less broken. > It seems that Ubuntu 8.04 shipped with a 2.6.24 domU. So Ubuntu is > the only distro shipping a dom0 based on Linux >> 2.6.18

Re: x11proto-core 7.0.13 will break Tk

2008-07-11 Thread Sergei Golovan
On 7/11/08, Julien Cristau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 14:07:02 +0400, Sergei Golovan wrote: > > I'd like to ask if there are plans to update x11proto-core to version > > 7.0.13 before lenny release? > > No, x11proto-core in lenny will be 7.0.12. OK. Then there's no hurr

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 11/07/08 at 11:24 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > - all major distros shipped with "full" Xen support > > RHEL5/FC8 are 2.6.18 based and ships full support. SLES10 is 2.6.16 based > and ships full support. FC9 is 2.6.24 based and ships only domU support. > Anything else can be considered m

Re: x11proto-core 7.0.13 will break Tk

2008-07-11 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 14:07:02 +0400, Sergei Golovan wrote: > Hi! > > I'd like to ask if there are plans to update x11proto-core to version > 7.0.13 before lenny release? > No, x11proto-core in lenny will be 7.0.12. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subjec

x11proto-core 7.0.13 will break Tk

2008-07-11 Thread Sergei Golovan
Hi! I'd like to ask if there are plans to update x11proto-core to version 7.0.13 before lenny release? Upstream maintainers have added a new event GenericEvent which breaks Tk toolkit because Tk uses hardcoded event numbers and adds its own events (see [1]). Gentoo system is already affected (see

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Ian Campbell schreef: > On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 21:53 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> Hi, >> >> AFAIK, the status of Xen in lenny is currently the following: >> - no dom0 kernel >> - domU kernel only for i386 (no domU kernel for amd64) >> >> I was told (I don't remember where) that this is because th

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 09:53:25PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > AFAIK, the status of Xen in lenny is currently the following: > - no dom0 kernel Yep. There are some preliminary patches but they break non-paravirt usage for now. > - domU kernel only for i386 (no domU kernel for amd64) x86_64 is

Bug#490281: ITP: darcs-server -- Tool (client and server) to authenticate darcs push/pulls.

2008-07-11 Thread Nathaniel Wesley Filardo
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Nathaniel Wesley Filardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: darcs-server Version : 0.0.20070209 Upstream Author : Daan Leijen * URL : http://www.equational.org/darcs-server/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: Perl, Haske

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Xen status in lenny?

2008-07-11 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 21:53 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > AFAIK, the status of Xen in lenny is currently the following: > - no dom0 kernel > - domU kernel only for i386 (no domU kernel for amd64) > > I was told (I don't remember where) that this is because the vanilla > kernel only suppo