Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Brian May
> "Greg" == Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Greg> A scrupulous writer, in every sentence that he writes, will ask Greg> himself at least four questions, thus: Sample answers: Greg> 1. What am I trying to say? I am stupid. Greg> 2. What words will express

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Martin Habets
Frans, Thanks for that pointer. After trawling through some of the mailing lists and searching for bug reports I found Robert Reif's reply indicating this is related to drm and the fact that sparc does not support cmpxcgh at the moment. Still not sure how to exactly reproduce this, but I'll try t

Re: tool to turn redundant files into symlinks

2007-05-22 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Monday 21 May 2007 23:51:24 Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Hi Weskey, > > Am Di den 22. Mai 2007 um 0:53 schrieb Wesley J. Landaker: > > > If hardlinks are okay too, see the "perforate" package (I find this > > > package hard to find, since the name is somewhat misleading). It's > > > written in Perl. >

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Turbo Fredriksson dijo [Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:07:01AM +0200]: > Frans> Debian cannot afford to have a broken kernel for a release > Frans> subarch for that period of time. Kernel development moves > Frans> too fast for that. > > Do we really NEED (read: _require_) the 'latest and gre

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-22 Thread Ben Finney
Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Because software under the GPLv3 is incompatible with GPLv2-only > software, while "GPLv2 or above" software is compatible with both. > Developing or promoting GPLv3 software deliberately creates > incompati- bilities (and I'm not only referring to link

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:07:01AM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: > If I knew anything about kernel interior and development, I'd be happy > to step up, but... Why don't you step up and learn then? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
> "Frans" == Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Frans> Debian cannot afford to have a broken kernel for a release Frans> subarch for that period of time. Kernel development moves Frans> too fast for that. Do we really NEED (read: _require_) the 'latest and greatest' (or whateve

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 04:10:06PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: [...] > Those are good reasons. Those are different reasons than "static > libraries are faster", which was the previous argument for keeping them. No, that was "one" argument for keeping them, and the only one that I could come up

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-May-07, 13:40 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Why should we spend time and space to provide something that doesn't > > do anything useful?[1] > > I also once heard an argument that static libraries are

Bug#425609: ITP: OpenGrok -- Wicked fast source code indexing and search software built on top of lucene

2007-05-22 Thread Lubos Kosco
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Lubos Kosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: OpenGrok Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Chandan B.N, Trond Norbye, Knut Pape, Martin Englund, Sun Microsystems * URL : http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/opengrok * License

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages for libraries?

2007-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:52PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 20-May-07, 13:41 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:28:49AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > On 09-May-07, 04:02 (CDT), Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm not

Re: Fixing up SELinux reference policy for Debian

2007-05-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:05:54 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> localStrict.te included below). I can compile my packages, and run > Does localStrict.te really provide a benefit? It quells any AVC messages; and some of them were quite prolific. This way, any new message

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:41 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal, > > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read > our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of > o

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
elw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It seems obvious that someone will *eventually* fix sparc32 support in > the kernel upstream. Why is that obvious? We were a huge SPARC shop and I don't think we have any hardware left that can't run 64-bit SPARC code. I expect many sites that were running SPAR

Re: [OT] disucssions about off-topicness in -user on -devel.

2007-05-22 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 10:05 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 07:04:01AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:02:21AM +0300, Andrei Popescu a écrit : > > > > > > IMHO forcing people to take off-topic discussions out > > > > By the way, isn't debian-deve

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 16:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The main reason is the fact that sparc32 support is no longer being > > maintained upstream for the kernel [2]. A result of that is that the > > 2.6.21 kernel is currently broken, which forces the issue. > > It seems obvious that someone wi

Re: Intention to drop sparc32 support for Lenny

2007-05-22 Thread elw
The sparc32 port has been struggling for some time. Last month Jurij Smakov, currently the most active Debian Sparc porter, raised the question if support sparc32 should be dropped for Lenny [1]. The main reason is the fact that sparc32 support is no longer being maintained upstream for the

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-22 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Tue, May 22, 2007, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On ti, 2007-05-22 at 13:30 +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > 1. The GPLv3: the latest draft did not raise major objections from > > -legal and despite its concerns with the strategies developed in some > > sections, Debian does consider it DFSG-free.

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-22 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ti, 2007-05-22 at 13:30 +0200, Sam Hocevar wrote: > 1. The GPLv3: the latest draft did not raise major objections from > -legal and despite its concerns with the strategies developed in some > sections, Debian does consider it DFSG-free. Debian will however not > push for its adoption, ma

discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-22 Thread Sam Hocevar
[Cc:ing -legal, but please try to follow-up on only one list] I am having a chat tonight with people from the FSF. Despite the inevitable disagreements between Debian and the FSF, I am willing to cooperate in a constructive manner on as many topic as possible. Here are the topics we'll be di

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Howard Young
Some fun suggestions 1 UK Style: Political correctness script that creates a virtual witch hunt every time someone mentions anything off topic. 2 Fun Style: Debain developer membership requires a fee. The fee is a tax to pay for rental of a meeting place. The meeting place is used to settle di

Versioning scheme for package branches, Was: Mysterious NMU (Bug #423455)

2007-05-22 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suggested 1.2-3+s.lenny.1 in the past. More specifically: > > 1.2-3+a0... for local/vendor recompiles without source changes. > 1.2-3+bXfor binary NMU > 1.2-3+c0... for local/vendor changes with source changes > 1.2-3+s... for security upda

Honorables

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Re: how long is 'pending'

2007-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload? > > Is it acceptable to tag a bug pending when fixed upstream and the > maintainer is confident of an upstream release in under a week? (This > is easy for me, I'm also upstream in many case

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tyler MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > granted there are things like this, but reproducible builds would be >> > fantastic and well worth the effort. >> If you're talking about "byte-for-byte identical builds", then no, that >> would be a trem

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 16 May 2007, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different >> directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained >> tree with the tree available in the other dir? > > I personal

Re: Sid SELinux packages are now working

2007-05-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 21 May 2007 22:56, Erich Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How would that method cope with a cross-build? Emdebian has already > > built some selinux packages from the Debian sources for a rootfs and > > We're talking about policy package dependencies, not about debian > package dep

Re: Building packages twice in a row

2007-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin Zobel-Helas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:11:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > >>> Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different >>> directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obta

Re: Mysterious NMU (Bug #423455)

2007-05-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 03:49:07PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Mon, May 14, 2007 at 09:24:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> > Maybe I misunderstand, but wouldn't something like

Re: [OT] disucssions about off-topicness in -user on -devel.

2007-05-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 07:04:01AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:02:21AM +0300, Andrei Popescu a écrit : > > > > IMHO forcing people to take off-topic discussions out > > By the way, isn't debian-devel an off-topic place for this discussion? I'm just following the off

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 03:36:14PM -0700, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Why should Debian developers spend the time setting up infrastructure > for lists or IRC channels that, by definition even, have nothing to do > with the Debian project? If the people who enjoy holding these Compared to the cur