On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:41:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> [4] FWIW, forums.debian.net has an offtopic section that actually
> seems to be used appropriately, without bothering the technical
> discissions in other sections.
Debian seems to have a policy of not hosting -offtopic lists[1]. Can
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 02:04:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Kevin Mark wrote:
>
> A desktop user is perhaps not the best example, since recommends might
> as well be depends to such a user -- they're both things that aptitude
> installs when the software is selected. Such a user is also better
>
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 00:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 19:43:31 -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Don Armstrong wrote:
> >> For example, in the case you're talking about, you'd have to explain
> >> that ucf would like to be able to use debconf-loadtempla
On Fri, 18 May 2007 19:43:31 -0400, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
>> For example, in the case you're talking about, you'd have to explain
>> that ucf would like to be able to use debconf-loadtemplate from
>> debconf-utils utils when it's running as root just in c
On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:39:00 +0200, Hendrik Sattler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The description should not explain what the other package is but
> _what_ it does to the selected package. Example: ucf recommends
> debconf-utils. The description of debconf-utils tells me nothing about
> what it a
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's not like it would be difficult to decide on a standard to allow the
> segment of text in README.Debian that described the optional
> dependencies (or other information that a packagea maintainer thought
> people may be interested in knowing as they'
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> I would very much be in favor of adding new, optional fields that
> describe the dependencies of the package. These can be integrated
> into the package management interface at appropriate points, without
> cluttering the description itself.
While I thi
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 10:43:34 +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed May 16, 2007 at 10:11:55 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
[...]
> > Wouldn't it be better to unpack a package twice in two different
> > directories, build and clean in one dir and then compare the obtained
> > t
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:06 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:19:28PM -0400, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
> > It was really hard for me to switch to using aptitude, but now since I
> > have, I get annoyed when I use apt-get, although I use apt-get re
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 16:14 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 01:44 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, Ludovic Rousseau said:
> > > Le 10.05.2007, à 00:25:32, Stephen Gran a écrit:
> > > >
> > > > I have always just asked them on IRC on #debian-kernel.
> >
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 04:56:23PM -0700, Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Brian May wrote:
> > > "Neil" == Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Neil> The only bug suitable for this scenario is a wishlist bug
> > Neil> for a more
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:19:28PM -0400, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> It was really hard for me to switch to using aptitude, but now since I
> have, I get annoyed when I use apt-get, although I use apt-get regularly
> on a certain machine. I'd still like to use aptitude, b
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 12:29:56PM -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
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> Howard Young escribió:
> > looking through the list I now see that may be quite possible to achieve
> > what I wanted using, some sort of
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:50:06AM -0600, Warren Turkal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> On Friday 18 May 2007 08:03, Howard Young wrote:
> > Thank you for this link. I have read the information but it seems not to
> > have a specific option for what I want.
>
> If you use aptitude for eve
The only time you wouldn't want a Recommends: installed is
if you know that it wouldn't be useful.
Not really.
Policy is vague and only specifies that Recommends means that more than
a proportion between 1/2 and 1 of systems consider that the recommended
package's contribution to the recommend
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Another question would be whether it would be reasonable if
> Uploaders should be included in BTS mail in any case and whether
> I should file a wishlist bug against debbugs or whether this
> bahaviour is intended and it would be better to use a
> packagi
On Fri, 18 May 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> does putting the info in the README entail the loss of the kind of
> structuring that would make it easy to, for example,
> programmatically display just the relevant text for a specific
> recommends?
Not necessarily if people agreed on a specific wa
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Don Armstrong wrote:
> > For example, in the case you're talking about, you'd have to explain
> > that ucf would like to be able to use debconf-loadtemplate from
> > debconf-utils utils when it's running as root just in case its
> > templates have becom
Gnu_Raiz wrote:
> Let me get this straight developers are complaining about OT topics, how
> it takes up their developer time. But they manage to compile a list of
> offenses made by people who read the list? Then they threaten to leave
> due to issues of people not being on topic?
>
Naa! He
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:39:27AM +0200, Pierre THIERRY wrote:
> Scribit Greg Folkert dies 18/05/2007 hora 18:42:
> > > It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you.
> > > [...]
> > I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away.
>
> I guess not. It was explicitly acknowled
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:27 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 06:42:48PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away. There are about 30 of
> > us. Though, I "got the hint" with Neil Sumner reporting me to the DPL,
> > after I told him to STFU
Don Armstrong wrote:
> For example, in the case you're talking about, you'd have to explain
> that ucf would like to be able to use debconf-loadtemplate from
> debconf-utils utils when it's running as root just in case its
> templates have become corrupted. Now, you and I may know what
> debconf-l
Scribit Greg Folkert dies 18/05/2007 hora 18:42:
> > It's so sad that these OT posters are driving away people like you.
> > [...]
> I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away.
I guess not. It was explicitly acknowledged that killfiling OT posters
would prevent reading their useful posts, so
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 06:42:48PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> I guess you'd rather see the OT posters go away. There are about 30 of
> us. Though, I "got the hint" with Neil Sumner reporting me to the DPL,
> after I told him to STFU, in worse words than that.
> Though he had been including me in
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Amir Tabatabaei escribió:
> I'm satisfied but I do of course miss this feature. I think I'm too much
> used to it that I don't want to try anything else. But you are right,
> switching will be hard and after some while everything will be normal
> again
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 18:08 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Joey Hess wrote:
>
> > Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal,
> >
> > I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become
> > nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read
> > our user lists) due to vo
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:41:41PM +0200, Gabor Gombas wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:12:15AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
Good point. Thus it looks like there is no right way [...]
How about making the use of "-k all" configurable?
The point I was trying to make before is that the deci
Joey Hess wrote:
> Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal,
>
> I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become
> nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read
> our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of
> offtopic posts there.
I would like
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:41:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > - There is no *scripture* that can be used in support of preventing
> > interracial marriage. The words of the judge that you quoted are
> > certainly *not* the words of God.
> > - There *is* scripture
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 16:19 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:34 +0200, Amir Tabatabaei wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 12:29 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote:
> > > You should try using aptitude, it does what you want ;-)
> >
> > Just a friendly question: Why is this fe
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:05:31AM -0700, Brad Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 07:35:07PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > There is a quite good pdf on Uli's page. Search Ullrich Drepper on
> > google, you should be able to find it. IIRC there is the explanation on
> > how it has been imp
Frans, Cord, Martin, Pascal,
I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become
nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read
our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of
offtopic posts there. I've in the past threatened to leave -user
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That means if I would ask for a binary only upload for AMD64 this bug
> would be fixed?
I believe so.
> How can I ask for this?
Per http://zomers.be/~luk/blog/content/binNMU.html , simply email a
rebuild request to debian-release.
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On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:34 +0200, Amir Tabatabaei wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 12:29 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote:
> > You should try using aptitude, it does what you want ;-)
>
> Just a friendly question: Why is this feature not added to apt-get, too?
> It is so useful and there are
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 12:29 -0400, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras wrote:
> You should try using aptitude, it does what you want ;-)
Just a friendly question: Why is this feature not added to apt-get, too?
It is so useful and there are a lot of people (like myself) who are
soo satisfied with apt-get
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Julien Cristau wrote:
I don't see how that would be easier than subscribing to the PTS for a
package you're co-maintaining.
Well, the problem is missing documentation - at least I was not
aware of this fact. That's why my main intention was to initiate
a Group maintenance
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
The AMD64 package was builded by a sid autobuilder and if
... last week, with g++-4.1 4.1.2-5, which still had #421790.
I did understand the thread correctly the problem should
not happen, right?
It should not happen with the version of g++-4.1 *cu
On Fri, 18 May 2007 19:48:54 +0200
maximilian attems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> tags 425050 wontfix
> stop
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 07:32:45PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra (tdykstra) wrote:
> >
> > I created a patch to ask a debconf question (medium priority) if
> > update-initramfs should update al
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 08:17:06AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> Yes, it probably usually is just like that.
>
> I see it's just too hard for ordinary desktop user to resolve broken
> deps, even if it's really such easy as removing one single package. The
> "undo" should be achievable in s
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 07:35:07PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> There is a quite good pdf on Uli's page. Search Ullrich Drepper on
> google, you should be able to find it. IIRC there is the explanation on
> how it has been implemented for a few archs, quite extensively annotated.
Is this the
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
Hi m68k and Hurd porters,
You were previously made aware[0] that glibc-2.6 needs TLS to be
implemented for your ports to build and work properly, sadly this is
still not the case for m68k, and insufficient for Hurd in the current
state.
We want to release lenny w
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The AMD64 package was builded by a sid autobuilder and if
... last week, with g++-4.1 4.1.2-5, which still had #421790.
> I did understand the thread correctly the problem should
> not happen, right?
It should not happen with the version of g++-4.1 *c
Kevin Mark wrote:
> I agree. There are different users, not all are 'programmers', some are
> gui-desktop-users ( and as such should not be ignored and expect only
> 'programmers' to be using your programs) and all they want to know is
> <>. If you are using
> synaptic or aptitude and just about t
On Fri, 18 May 2007 19:25:09 +0200
Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:51:46PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
>
> > That seems like a good idea... but what would be the default?
>
> Doesn't matter as there are already examples of both behavior so picking
> a random v
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:40:53AM -0700, Brad Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 03:20:00PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > You were previously made aware[0] that glibc-2.6 needs TLS to be
> > implemented for your ports to build and work properly, sadly this is
> > still not the case for m
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 02:37:06AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > As I mentioned, I dont think this information should be in every
> > package and probably would be useful for more desktop-users than
> > developers. I'd only suggest creating the infrastruct
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 04:51:46PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
> That seems like a good idea... but what would be the default?
Doesn't matter as there are already examples of both behavior so picking
a random value and flamdebating it later is fine. The important
thing is to make the behavior
vizh go, mnogo e gotino tova http://clip4e.com/play_reklama_na_smetana_2.htm
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 03:20:00PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> You were previously made aware[0] that glibc-2.6 needs TLS to be
> implemented for your ports to build and work properly, sadly this is
> still not the case for m68k, and insufficient for Hurd in the current
> state.
The last tim
Package: wnpp
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 19:03:32 +0200, Marcus Better wrote:
> Andreas Metzler wrote:
> >> I think so, see #397761.
>
> > I do not think so, since this would result in duplicat mail for all
> > packages with maintainer=mailinglist.
>
> That's a minor problem that is very easily solved with a fil
Andreas Metzler wrote:
>> I think so, see #397761.
> I do not think so, since this would result in duplicat mail for all
> packages with maintainer=mailinglist.
That's a minor problem that is very easily solved with a filter rule in the
MUA. Duplicates are not exactly rare, what with messages tha
On Sat, 12 May 2007 18:56:02 +0200, Erich Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>> After that, I need to start branching out, and adding, say, apache2
>> servers to my UML, and checking validity of strict policy.
> We'd also need people to work on e.g. an exim and a tomcat policy.
I don't
On Friday 18 May 2007 08:03, Howard Young wrote:
> Thank you for this link. I have read the information but it seems not to
> have a specific option for what I want.
If you use aptitude for everything, it will keep track of packages that are
automatically installed when a specific package is inst
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Howard Young escribió:
> looking through the list I now see that may be quite possible to achieve
> what I wanted using, some sort of match priority command and piping it
> back into the remove command.
You should try using aptitude, it does what you
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:54:00 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I have attached a patch that I'm using in my work on getting a strict
> unstable system to work.
Applied the changes, and uploaded a new refpolicy package.
> I believe that cron should be allowed to set limits
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 08:17 +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
> >Lennart said
> >> Peter said
> >> If You and several people claim they haven't met such problems with
> >> testing, I can live with that. I also heard people whose experience was
> >> different, and my personal one is closer to them
looking through the list I now see that may be quite possible to achieve
what I wanted using, some sort of match priority command and piping it
back into the remove command.
thank you very much
Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:06:39AM +0100, Howard Young wrote:
Hello,
I did n
On Fri, 18 May 2007 16:41:41 +0200
Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:12:15AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
>
> > Good point. Thus it looks like there is no right way [...]
>
> How about making the use of "-k all" configurable?
That seems like a good idea... bu
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:12:15AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> Good point. Thus it looks like there is no right way [...]
How about making the use of "-k all" configurable?
Gabor
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:06:39AM +0100, Howard Young wrote:
Hello,
I did not find a list for APT so am asking here.
Is it possible to
apt-get remove package --andsuggestedpackages
and to do the opposite
apt-get install package --andsuggestedpackages
using the original l
On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:18:01 +0200
David Härdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 12:23:55AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> >also sprach Tim Dijkstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.15.2201 +0200]:
> >> Now what do people think is the best option? (And why?)
> >
> >I use -k all
Hi m68k and Hurd porters,
You were previously made aware[0] that glibc-2.6 needs TLS to be
implemented for your ports to build and work properly, sadly this is
still not the case for m68k, and insufficient for Hurd in the current
state.
We want to release lenny with glibc 2.6 (see discussi
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Andreas Metzler wrote:
On 2007-05-18 Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to ask kindly for support regarding bug #424644 because
I do not own any amd64 and thus feel unable to solve this problem.
Any hints / patches?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dev
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:06:39AM +0100, Howard Young wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I did not find a list for APT so am asking here.
>
> Is it possible to
> apt-get remove package --andsuggestedpackages
> and to do the opposite
> apt-get install package --andsuggestedpackages
>
> using the original lists
Marcus Better <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
>> Another question would be whether it would be reasonable if
>> Uploaders should be included in BTS mail in any case
> I think so, see #397761.
I do not think so, since this would result in duplicat mail for all
packages with maint
> "David" == David Härdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
David> True, but that won't help if two initramfs-tools using
David> packages have been updated since last boot and it also
David> requires the user to know that the backup exists and how to
David> tell grub to use it.
..
Marcus Better <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
>> Another question would be whether it would be reasonable if
>> Uploaders should be included in BTS mail in any case
>
> I think so
That will give duplicate mails for those packages with a mailing list in
Maintainer.
Regards, Fra
Andreas Tille wrote:
> Another question would be whether it would be reasonable if
> Uploaders should be included in BTS mail in any case
I think so, see #397761.
Marcus
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Hello,
I did not find a list for APT so am asking here.
Is it possible to
apt-get remove package --andsuggestedpackages
and to do the opposite
apt-get install package --andsuggestedpackages
using the original lists rather than any text matches.
Howard
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On Fri, 18 May 2007, Kevin Mark wrote:
> As I mentioned, I dont think this information should be in every
> package and probably would be useful for more desktop-users than
> developers. I'd only suggest creating the infrastructure (presumably so
> that it doesn't break anything in dpkg and would o
On 2007-05-18 Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to ask kindly for support regarding bug #424644 because
> I do not own any amd64 and thus feel unable to solve this problem.
> Any hints / patches?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/05/msg00340.html
cu andreas
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:31:52AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On 2007-05-18 Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would like to ask kindly for support regarding bug #424644 because
> > I do not own any amd64 and thus feel unable to solve this problem.
>
> > Any hints / patches?
>
>
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 02:04:24AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> > The description should not explain what the other package is but
> > _what_ it does to the selected package.
>
> In order to explain what the recommended package does to the
> recommedi
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> The description should not explain what the other package is but
> _what_ it does to the selected package.
In order to explain what the recommended package does to the
recommeding package, you have to explain what the other package is to
some extent.
Hi,
I would like to ask kindly for support regarding bug #424644 because
I do not own any amd64 and thus feel unable to solve this problem.
Any hints / patches?
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Hi,
I recently started group maintenance of libblitz0 together
Konstantinos Margaritis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and just added myself
to the Uploaders field. The package recently gathered a bug
(#424644) but I got no e-mail notific personally. I draw the
conclusion that BTS automatically only inform
also sprach Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.18.0842 +0200]:
> Does that help you when you cannot boot anymore?
grub provides an interactive shell.
also sprach David Härdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.18.0844 +0200]:
> True, but that won't help if two initramfs-tools using packages
On Fri, May 18, 2007 08:26, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach David Härdeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007.05.18.0118 +0200]:
>> The reason I didn't use it in cryptsetup's initramfs script was that
>> many people who have > 1 kernel use the second one as a fallback. In
>> case the updated version o
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