Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> A "problem" means that the package has useless dependencies on >>> library packages. This causes the kind of trouble outlined above and >>> should be

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> A "problem" means that the package has useless dependencies on >> library packages. This causes the kind of trouble outlined above and >> should be fixed. A HOWTO is here: >> http://rerun.lefant.ne

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Christian Aichinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As a start, I've written a script that searches for unnecessary > dependencies and reports them. Results are available here: > http://rerun.lefant.net/checklib > A "problem" means that the package has useless dependencies on > library packages. Th

recent kernel and apm on an old up machine

2006-09-25 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
Hi all, recently, linux-image packages are compiled with smp option and I encountered a problem on old up(non-smp) machine with apm but not with acpi. The power-off at shutdown didn't work even if I setted apm=on, and/or apm=power-off etc. in grub menu. Is there any smart way to make power-off

Re: Starting daemons after install not always what the user wants, but what/how to do ?

2006-09-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 07:03:03PM +, Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO, packages where there is a need for this functionality should be > split as above. For example, fetchmail-daemon (containing the init script) > which depends on fetchmail; spamassassin-spamd depending on spamassas

Re: looking for the article with a graph of the relations between maintainer scripts

2006-09-25 Thread Andrew Saunders
On 9/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can any one point me to the article with a graph of the relations of the various maintainer scripts? Sounds like you're after http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts - the page was mentioned in http://www.debian.org/News/

looking for the article with a graph of the relations between maintainer scripts

2006-09-25 Thread shaulka
Can any one point me to the article with a graph of the relations of the various maintainer scripts? IIRC: 1) The article was mentioned in DWN. 2) The author is a woman. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: transition plan for apt-listbugs onto Debian infrastructure: temporarily on merkel.debian.org, then move over to bugs.debian.org

2006-09-25 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > Currently they are downloaded from > > http://osdn.debian.or.jp/~taru/apt-listbugs/ > > http://merkel.debian.org/~dancer/apt-listbugs/ > > > > I envision something like > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/apt-listbugs/index.*.db > > http://bugs.debian.org/indices/index.*.db > > I'v

[Fwd: Bug#387557: pcre3: Please ship pcre_internal.h]

2006-09-25 Thread Mark Baker
What do people think about this? Personally I feel that the "internal" in the name really should have been a big enough clue, and I don't want to include a file that's not meant to be used just because some idiots have written software that needs it. I'm not even sure it will work; what is i

Bug#389472: ITP: sqlgrey -- Greyfiltering daemon for Postfix that supports a Mysql/Postgresql/sqlite backend

2006-09-25 Thread Alan Harper
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alan Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: sqlgrey Version : 1.7.4 Upstream Author : Lionel Bouton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sqlgrey.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL Description : Greyfiltering daemon

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Christian Aichinger
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 02:40:49PM -0700, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > (Sorry if you get this twice, I don't know whether you subscribe to > debian-devel.) I am subscribed here, also sorry about the broken MFT in the -announce mail :-/ > Thank you for this very cool effort! Might we see checklib pa

Re: new mplayer

2006-09-25 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:35:27 +0200, Luca Capello wrote: > Cc:ing directly Andrea and Dariush (the Debian maintainer) to be > sure they read my post, hope you don't mind. Doing it again :-) > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:36:16 +0200, A Mennucc wrote: >> I prepared a new mplayer (with help from

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Richard Atterer
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 02:40:49PM -0700, Kevin B. McCarty wrote: > Thank you for this very cool effort! Might we see checklib packaged for > Debian soon? Hmm, maybe the functionality could be included in lintian? Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | GnuPG key: 8883

Re: Two versions of pan in etch?

2006-09-25 Thread Søren Boll Overgaard
On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:08:39AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > > > Pan[0] is currently undergoing a major rewrite, and being the > > maintainer, I am currently considering what version of pan to > > include in etch. This mail[1] from one of the pan mailing lists sums > > up the situation qu

Re: Bug#389053: apache2-common: API module structure `perl_module' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so is garbled

2006-09-25 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! Cc:ing to d-d to get a wider audience. On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:27:42 +0200, Thom May wrote: > reassign 389053 libapache2-mod-perl2 > retitle 389053 Please upload mod_perl2 to experimental built against apache > 2.2 > severity 389053 wishlist > thanks > > Mod Perl2 needs to be rebuilt in e

Re: transition plan for apt-listbugs onto Debian infrastructure: temporarily on merkel.debian.org, then move over to bugs.debian.org

2006-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > I'm now waiting for the following two things to happen. > > > > > > 1. Ack on using bugs.donarmstrong.com for the time being for apt-listbugs. > > > > If it's possible to wait a bit, you can specify b.d.o, and I'll put in > > an HTTP redirect to se

Re: A plan to get rid of unnecessary package dependencies

2006-09-25 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Hi Christian, (Sorry if you get this twice, I don't know whether you subscribe to debian-devel.) Christian Aichinger wrote: > As Steve Langasek detailed in his d-d-a mail[1], unnecessary > dependencies cause lots of problems, as they make transitions > bigger then they need to be. > > The root c

Re: Debian Love

2006-09-25 Thread Jason Spiro
Le 24-09-2006, John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Several people have mentioned this thread on planet, but I think it > merits mention here: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/09/msg01922.html Mozilla have a feedback form on the web that, when you click "Submit", posts your m

Re: Compatibility between Debian amd64 and other distributions

2006-09-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Jochens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello, > > On 06-Sep-23 02:50, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> FHS says that 64bit libraries on amd64 go to [/usr]/lib64. All non >> Debian distributions follow that line. > > Gentoo uses basically the same setup as Debian, i.e. it installs 64-bit > li

Intent to "hijack" the dhelp package

2006-09-25 Thread Esteban Manchado Velázquez
Hi all, As Javier noted just after releasing Sarge [1], we need better documentation integration tools in Debian. Yes, we have dhelp [2], but it lacks loads of features, and it's not what I would call "in shape" [3]. I have tried to fix this situation, mostly by organizing and merging bug repo

Re: Bug#389394: ITA: netenv -- Configure your system for different network environments

2006-09-25 Thread Arnaud Fontaine
retitle 389394 ITA: netenv -- Configure your system for different network environments owner 389394 ! thanks > Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hereby orphan netenv. I do no longer use it, and my limited > time does not allow properly maintaining it. Hey, I'm usin

Re: Starting daemons after install not always what the user wants, but what/how to do ?

2006-09-25 Thread Sam Morris
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:59:06 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > There is gnome-user-share, that uses apache2 to set up a web dav share > on some random high port and make it available as a zeroconf service > through avahi. The package depends on apache2. Thus, when installing > gnome-user-share, while the

Starting daemons after install not always what the user wants, but what/how to do ?

2006-09-25 Thread Mike Hommey
Some programs may be used as system daemons, but can also be used by a user for some other purpose. For example, fetchmail can be used as a system-wide mail fetcher, but can be used and configured by a user to fetch his own mail, through his own setting. Now, let's say someone creates some gnome-f

Re: Problem installing xserver-xorg

2006-09-25 Thread Javier-Elias Vasquez-Vivas
On 9/25/06, Stephen Yorke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] -Stephen From: David Goodenough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 9:36 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Problem installing xserver-xorg [...] When configuring xserver-xorg it ask

Re: Setting up pbuilder or sbuild like experimental buildds

2006-09-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:04:51PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > except that you also would need to patch sbuild to build from > > experimental. I've been giving that patch to everyone who's asked me for > > it, but it's not in the official sbu

RE: Problem installing xserver-xorg

2006-09-25 Thread Stephen Yorke
Guess it is not just me having this issue...I was going to dual boot my Laptop but after testing with Microsoft Virtual Server & VMWare and seeing this error...think I will wait. If you want to reproduce it...debootstrap sid, change root to the sid directory and 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-c

Re: Compatibility between Debian amd64 and other distributions

2006-09-25 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 25 September 2006 09:39, Andreas Jochens wrote: > The proposed glibc patch will break the installer. The installer does > not have the symlink from /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib. (This is not by > accident. It has been decided following some discussion.) The symlink currently is there actually:

Re: transition plan for apt-listbugs onto Debian infrastructure: temporarily on merkel.debian.org, then move over to bugs.debian.org

2006-09-25 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > I'm now waiting for the following two things to happen. > > > > 1. Ack on using bugs.donarmstrong.com for the time being for apt-listbugs. > > If it's possible to wait a bit, you can specify b.d.o, and I'll put in > an HTTP redirect to send it to the appropriate server, so this can > hap

Re: Setting up pbuilder or sbuild like experimental buildds

2006-09-25 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 07:07:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> You also need to downgrade packages back to unstable when the build >> needed some package from experimental. So you should pin to >1000 and >> run apt-get dist-upgrade between bu

Re: Problem installing xserver-xorg

2006-09-25 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 25 September 2006 14:54, Stephen Yorke wrote: > Guess it is not just me having this issue...I was going to dual boot my > Laptop but after testing with Microsoft Virtual Server & VMWare and seeing > this error...think I will wait. > > If you want to reproduce it...debootstrap sid, change

Re: Compatibility between Debian amd64 and other distributions

2006-09-25 Thread Andreas Jochens
Hello, On 06-Sep-23 02:50, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > FHS says that 64bit libraries on amd64 go to [/usr]/lib64. All non > Debian distributions follow that line. Gentoo uses basically the same setup as Debian, i.e. it installs 64-bit libraries in /usr/lib and it has a symlink from /usr/lib64

Bug#389394: O: netenv -- Configure your system for different network environments

2006-09-25 Thread Frank Küster
Package: wnpp Severity: normal I hereby orphan netenv. I do no longer use it, and my limited time does not allow properly maintaining it. It's unique feature, compared to other packages for managing a laptop in different network enviroments, is that it does not at all try to detect anything auto

Re: transitioning config files between two packages

2006-09-25 Thread Frank Küster
Hi Steve, maybe you've missed that question to you in a conversation we had on -devel. Can you please have a look? Regards, Fr'Fullquote follows'ank Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, you

Re: stale lock files

2006-09-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 06:56:03PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 23 septembre 2006 à 10:33 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow a > > What do you do on fuse, afs, coda, oracle fs, lustrefs? Do they all > > have fcntl? > > AFAIK, afs, fuse and ocfs2 have (although recently introduced) posix >

Re: Setting up pbuilder or sbuild like experimental buildds

2006-09-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 07:07:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > You also need to downgrade packages back to unstable when the build > needed some package from experimental. So you should pin to >1000 and > run apt-get dist-upgrade between builds as a minimum. > > Or just throw away the chr

Bug#389263: ITP: pyragua -- pyragua is a pythonic development environment for python

2006-09-25 Thread Daniel Aristizabal Romero
Package: wnpp Owner: Daniel Aristizabal Romero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist * Package name: pyragua Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Juan Pablo Valois Valencia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://quimbaya.utp.edu.co/projects/pyragua/ * License : GPL

Re: Bug#388278: ITP: doc-debian-uk -- Debian Manuals and other documents in Ukrainian

2006-09-25 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Sonntag 24 September 2006 21:00 schrieb Ron Johnson: > Ah, it looks like we've got a grandfathered exception. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gb > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ua > > Based on ISO_3166, it appears that Ukranian i18n files should either

Re: Media players in Debian (was: new mplayer)

2006-09-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-22 13:21:24, schrieb Andreas Tille: > And, BTW, do we really need Emacs if we have vi? > > Why not mcedit? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Cou

Re: Debian cares more about documents than people

2006-09-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-21 16:42:27, schrieb alfredo diega: > What is the best community distro based on free software that isn't > so free that it doesn't work. I guess that right now is Ubuntu. No Debian ;-) I have tried to run Ubunto as Server (for testing) and failed... So the best community distro bas

Re: Media players in Debian

2006-09-25 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 25 September 2006 14:27 schrieb Johan Kullstam: > You can have mplayer installed without it necessarily showing up for > popcon. Or you don't have it installed and don't participate in popcon. popcon does not show representative values but everybody knows that. HS pgpYUyzPOfd9b.pgp De

Re: Media players in Debian

2006-09-25 Thread Johan Kullstam
Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [César Martínez Izquierdo] > > Another reason is... lots of Debian users download mplayer from > > Marillat or other sources (maybe Marillat may provide some stats)... > > popcon.debian.org can provide stats. Of 16473 machines submitting > info,

Bug#389196: ITP: chetcpasswd -- Chetcpasswd is a cgi utility that allow your users to change their system passwords using the browser

2006-09-25 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: chetcpasswd Version : 2.3.3 Upstream Author : Pedro Lineu Orso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sarg.sourceforge.net/chetcpasswd.php * License : GPL Descrip

Re: transition plan for apt-listbugs onto Debian infrastructure: temporarily on merkel.debian.org, then move over to bugs.debian.org

2006-09-25 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, I'm now waiting for the following two things to happen. 1. Ack on using bugs.donarmstrong.com for the time being for apt-listbugs. 2. Deployment of SOAP interface to bugs.debian.org 3. Deployment of index.*.db files on bugs.debian.org > 1. Move over to merkel.debian.org for the time bein

Re: Need for darcs.debian.org?

2006-09-25 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, Am Freitag, 22. September 2006 15:14 schrieb Luca Capello: > After having read zack's blog entry [2] about the new XS-X-VCS-xxx > field for debian/control files, I was adding it to my packages [3] > (all related to Common Lisp). Does this handle two VCSes? Regards, Rene -- .''`. René Eng

Re: New essential package sysvinit-utils split out from sysvinit

2006-09-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steve Langasek] > sysvinit is also an Essential package. What steps are you taking to ensure > that you've retained the proper semantics for Essential? Such changes > should be backed with more than just an apt upgrade test, because an apt > upgrade where everything /works/ may not be the case

Re: Problem including (linux-kernel-headers 2.6.17)

2006-09-25 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On 9/22/06, Martin Kittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So this brings me back to me original problem: are user-space applications allowed/supposed to use these headers? And if so, how are they to be used if the headers rely on __KERNEL__ to be defined? My understanding was that userspace should n

Re: New essential package sysvinit-utils split out from sysvinit

2006-09-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 09:09:55AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > To prepare for the async boot system upstart currently in > experimental, the sysvinit source package maintainers have decided to > split out a few programs from the sysvinit binary package. The new > sysvinit-utils package wi

Re: gfdl gcc documentation packages for non-free: update

2006-09-25 Thread Frank Küster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > On Sep 23, Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > As long as the source is available in the package this is not a bug at >> > all. >> - even if the build infrastructure is missing how to build the >>manpages, it's no bug? > If they can be ma

New essential package sysvinit-utils split out from sysvinit

2006-09-25 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
To prepare for the async boot system upstart currently in experimental, the sysvinit source package maintainers have decided to split out a few programs from the sysvinit binary package. The new sysvinit-utils package will be a dependency of upstart, and the old sysvinit package is a conflict. T