Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:39:23PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> It's a C++ library and the ABI changed due to being compiled with GCC >> 4.0. > >> [Actually, although it's written in C++, AFAIK it only exports a C >> interface so the transition may not

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:39:23PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > It's a C++ library and the ABI changed due to being compiled with GCC > 4.0. > [Actually, although it's written in C++, AFAIK it only exports a C > interface so the transition may not have been necessary. I only > realized this yeste

Re: BTS version tracking

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > The 'reopen' command takes an optional submitter argument, so it was > difficult to get a version in here unambiguously. Instead, we've > introduced a new 'found' command, which says "I've found the bug in this > version of the package". You can use

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all >>> the existing packages that use libaspell. >>> >>> Was this really an AB

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Brian Nelson
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all > the existing packages that use libaspell. > > Was this really an ABI change in libaspell? If not, there was no > reason to make the change as I understand it. Were high-sev

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [helpful stuff] Thanks, I understand now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: BTS version tracking

2005-07-19 Thread Brian May
> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> A frequently requested feature for the bug tracking system Colin> in recent years has been the ability to track which bugs Colin> apply to which distributions, so that, eg, maintainers and Colin> others can tell which

Re: aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all >> the existing packages that use libaspell. >> >> Was this really an ABI change in libaspell? If not, there was no >> reason to

aspell upgrade woes

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
So aspell changed the library name to libaspell15c2, which breaks all the existing packages that use libaspell. Was this really an ABI change in libaspell? If not, there was no reason to make the change as I understand it. Were high-severity bugs filed on all the packages that depend on the l

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:34:28AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:14:32PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: > > > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the > > > operating > > >

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 11:06:28PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) > to non-DDs? Because those were the people that decided they wanted the service, and dedicated the time to getting it (and keeping it) operational? - Matt s

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? Why is this question on debian-devel, instead of in the inbox of the m.d.n maintainers? - Matt signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-19 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:45:09PM +0200, Domenico Andreoli wrote: > i saw the bug report, i'm sorry to not have commented the request which > i find absolutely reasonable. i'll try to figure out if curl may suffer > from limitations due to the use of gnutls in place of openssl. i would guess

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Miles Bader
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to describe an >> ubuntu system as "running debian"), so what's the big deal? >> >> [The small amount of stuff that _is_ different seems to mostly be >> high-profile end-user GUI apps that aren't going

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:30:14AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating > > system that's the reason for its existence. > > Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to descri

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Miles Bader
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating > system that's the reason for its existence. Unbuntu is 99% Debian (it would be quite reasonable to describe an ubuntu system as "running debian"), so what's the big deal? [The

Re: BTS version tracking

2005-07-19 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 12:06:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > A frequently requested feature for the bug tracking system in recent years > has been the ability to track which bugs apply to which distributions, > so that, eg, maintainers and others can tell which bugs that have been > fixed in uns

Re: OT: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/19/05, Ben Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:21 +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > Heyho, > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > http://mentors.debian.net/ > About this repository > Welcome to the debian-mentors public software repository.

Re: NMUs wanted: C++ library packages in need of uploading

2005-07-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:46:18PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > libgwenhywfar > > libktoblzcheck > I'll do these (co-maintained by myself) as well as the dependencies. Great, thanks. > P.S.: Not that I mind, but I read Matthias mail to d-d-a (dated July 5) > as 0-day

Re: dpkg: should it remove in reverse depends order?

2005-07-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2005-07-19 kello 22:04 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow kirjoitti: > Actualy I would prefer if you don't. This is a real bug and should be > noticed by piuparts. Sure. I'm only ignoring the files fontconfig leaves behind now that I know there is a problem so that I get rather fewer error logs to wa

Re: dpkg: should it remove in reverse depends order?

2005-07-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ma, 2005-07-18 kello 18:51 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow kirjoitti: >> The problem is fontconfig / libfontconfig1. No one else is to >> blame. Cyclic depends will be broken at random places and will cause >> problems. > > Ah yes, of course, I should have

Re: NMUs wanted: C++ library packages in need of uploading

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi. Steve Langasek wrote: > libgwenhywfar > libktoblzcheck I'll do these (co-maintained by myself) as well as the dependencies. Kind regards T. P.S.: Not that I mind, but I read Matthias mail to d-d-a (dated July 5) as 0-day NMUs for *broken* uploads, and 5-day NMUs for no maintainer upload...

Re: broken g++ transition packages

2005-07-19 Thread Rene Engelhard
Mike Furr wrote: > These packages were all auto-built with the right version, but the Wrong. I has to do a binary-NMU for ARM... > maintainer uploaded a package with the wrong ABI: > libmyspell3c2 (myspell) [powerpc] *shrugs*. Fixed. Grüße/Regards, Rene -- .''`. Rene Engelhard -- Debian G

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 11:06:28PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:42:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > > * Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 12:23]: > > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > > > don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubunt

broken g++ transition packages

2005-07-19 Thread Mike Furr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The following is a list of packages which are linked against libstdc++5 on some architectures and libstdc++6 on others. This list only contains packages from Section: base/devel/libdevel/libs/oldlibs, as the full list contains many things waiting for

Re: Who needs libcurl3? (was libcurl3-dev: A development package linked again gnutls needed)

2005-07-19 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:19:54PM -0400, sean finney wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:04:57PM +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > > Why not building curl --without-sssl and --with-gnutls=/usr? Maybe a > > NMU? > > this is definitely NOT a reason to NMU libcurl. remember that it is > your packa

Re: BTS version tracking

2005-07-19 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 10:28:06PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050718 17:21]: > > The BTS records that bug #NN was fixed in 1.1-sarge1 and 1.3, and > > let's say the bug was found in version 1.1. Since it has the changelogs > > (it gets these from ftp-maste

OT: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 12:21 +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > Heyho, > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? http://mentors.debian.net/ About this repository Welcome to the debian-mentors public software repository. ... Please note that this service is not run as a

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 09:07 -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating > system that's the reason for its existence. Well, at least it's Debian-derived? Just one leaf lower in the tree. I don't see or have any problem with mentors.deb

Re: lsb-base

2005-07-19 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:30:33AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > Anyway, I like the pretty colours. It makes it very easy to see if Colours aside, having the last six-or-so characters dedicated to a PASS/FAIL style string makes summing up the boot process at a glance much easier, and mak

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:07:13AM -0400, David Nusinow wrote: > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the > operating system that's the reason for its existence. It depends on the reasoning behind the OS choice. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ PGP fingerprint:

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Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 03:14:32PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: > > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating > > system that's the reason for its existence. > > Go ahead and provide hosting

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 23:06 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Unrelated question: why was mentors.debian.net delegated (historically) > to non-DDs? Because a DD delegated it to them. Kind regards, Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 15:15]: > martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. > > Great news! Where's my paycheck? > > (both of the above "arguments" have already been raised long ago, yes.) don'

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1448 +0200]: > > a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. > > Great news! Where's my paycheck? You don't get paid for being an Ubuntu developer. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list!

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1507 +0200]: > > why do you even care? > > It's rather pathetic that the Debian mentors site doesn't run the operating > system that's the reason for its existence. Go ahead and provide hosting for it on a Debian machine, set it up, then a

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Julien BLACHE
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Great news! Where's my paycheck? (both of the above "arguments" have already been raised long ago, yes.) JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian & GNU/Linux Developer - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 02:03:34PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: > > I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is > > mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? > > a new debian maintainer is also

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 12:42:13PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > * Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 12:23]: > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubuntu, i > just wondered... Cos it's trendy and Debian isn't. Unrelated ques

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: > > I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is > > mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? > > a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Erm,

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread John Hasler
martin f krafft writes: > a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. Only in the rather strained sense that she is also a Libranet, Mepis, and Linspire maintainer. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Con

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Nico! Nico Golde [2005-07-19 13:09 +0200]: > Hello Martin, > > * Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 12:37]: > > Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: > > > Heyho, > > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > > > This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than "

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 14:07]: > also sprach Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: > > I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is > > mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? > > a new debian maintainer is also a u

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.19.1309 +0200]: > I don't undestand what has ubuntu to do with a site which is > mainly used by new debian maintainers and their packages? a new debian maintainer is also a ubuntu maintainer in some sense. www.debian.org runs on apache. what doe

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Willi Mann
> Why is it embarrasing? Are Ubuntu sponsoring the machine, the hosting site, providing the OS, or what? At least the OS seems to be Ubuntu: $ telnet mentors.debian.net 80 Trying 212.12.58.146... Connected to mentors.workaround.org. Escape character is '^]'. GET / HTTP/1.1 HTTP/1.1 400 Bad

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nico Golde
Hello Martin, * Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 12:37]: > Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: > > Heyho, > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than "SuSE" > or "Micro$$$ IIS" :-), but still a bit embarrasing...

Re: Removal of transitional dummy packages

2005-07-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Santiago Vila wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > In this context, woody->sarge transition packages are just one > > > form of useless cruft that we should strive to get rid of before > > > the etch release. T

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nigel Jones
On 19/07/05, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: > > Heyho, > > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? > > This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than "SuSE" > or "Micro$$$ IIS" :-), but still a bit embarrasing... > I thin

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nico Golde
* Nico Golde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-07-19 12:23]: > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? don't understand me wrong, this is no rant against ubuntu, i just wondered... regards nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | ht

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Martin Pitt] > This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than "SuSE" > or "Micro$$$ IIS" :-), but still a bit embarrasing... Why is it embarrasing? Are Ubuntu sponsoring the machine, the hosting site, providing the OS, or what? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! Nico Golde [2005-07-19 12:21 +0200]: > Heyho, > why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? This gave me a good laugh, and it's certainly way better than "SuSE" or "Micro$$$ IIS" :-), but still a bit embarrasing... Martin -- Martin Pitthttp://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer http:/

debian mentors & ubuntu

2005-07-19 Thread Nico Golde
Heyho, why is mentors.debian.net powered by Ubuntu? Regards Nico -- Nico Golde - JAB: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x73647CFF http://www.ngolde.de | http://www.muttng.org | http://grml.org VIM has two modes - the one in which it beeps and the one in which it doesn't -- encrypted mail preferred --

Re: lsb-base

2005-07-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Stig Sandbeck Mathisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050719 09:30]: > Anyway, I like the pretty colours. It makes it very easy to see if > something is wrong during boot or service startup with just a glance. That's one of the reasons I dislike colours. Having other peoples system display fatal error me

Re: lsb-base

2005-07-19 Thread Thomas Hood
The lsb functions currently only support this: Doing something...[ ok ] They don't support: Doing something...doing something else... [ ok ] or Doing something...warning: no foo... [ ok ] For this a log_progress_msg(

Re: Who needs libcurl3?

2005-07-19 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:28:27PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > That's not too helpful. I don't really want to support code I did not > > understand. I'd rather write it myself or have Steve care about problems > > in it... > > The idea is to get upstream to include/support it... The theory so

Re: lsb-base

2005-07-19 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stig Sandbeck Mathisen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050719 09:31]: > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It would be better if there would be some configureable option in > > lsb-base. > , > | Angry Fruit Salad? > | > | [yes] [no] > ` configuration option like in "set style = plain"

Re: Documentation of alioth?

2005-07-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le mardi 12 juillet 2005 à 16:32 +0200, Florian Weimer a écrit : > > Why should I spend days building a reference system for bug > > reproduction and bug removal when the actual buggy system is readily > > available to its admins? > > Or, put in a more constructive way, what is the correct way to

Re: lsb-base

2005-07-19 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It would be better if there would be some configureable option in > lsb-base. , | Angry Fruit Salad? | | [yes] [no] ` Anyway, I like the pretty colours. It makes it very easy to see if something is wrong during boot or service startup with ju

Re: NMUs wanted: C++ library packages in need of uploading

2005-07-19 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Monday, 18 July 2005 21:29, Isaac Clerencia wrote: > On Monday, 18 July 2005 21:22, Isaac Clerencia wrote: > > On Monday, 18 July 2005 21:11, Isaac Clerencia wrote: > > > On Monday, 18 July 2005 03:54, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > zipios++ > > > > > > I intended to NMU this one before the trans