* Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-10-16 20:44]:
> Yes. This way to show issues is the right one but the James way is
> not. He doesn't do a suggestion but an exigency. This is wrong.
I've seen package being rejected with a reason plus a note saying
something like "but if you don't agree
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:48:03PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > And you still havn't told us what you didn't understand when James
> > wrote: 'If depending on emacs bothers you, make it a suggests.' They
> > *don't* have to have emacs installed!
>
>
Joshua Kwan writes:
> Which is better?
The default keys are fine with me, but it would be nice to not have the "@"
white when in a black on white xterm.
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:36, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > If you have an "optional" package depend on a package that is
> > "important" or "required" then again it would be a bug for any other
> > package to have a dependency that results in a circle leading back
> > to your package.
>
> This confuses me.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 11:12:26AM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote:
> If we want to introduce a new init system into debian, we should prepare
> a generic init framework (like many distributions already have in place)
> that allows for
> - silent/verbose boot and output redirection
> - fancy display o
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
> Searching for a general consensus here...
> These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
> enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
> to a bug filed on the packages a long time ag
Joshua Kwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
> nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
> many opinions as possible so please speak up!
Real men use hjkl.
--
Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 is out! ( http://
I find difficult to play nethack using the default keys - not because of
the standard hjkl vi keys, but because I can't get used to the yubn diagonals.
And number_pad leaves k for kicking stuff :)
Anyway, I'd guess anyone playing nethack is geek enough to figure out
how to change the keys.
--
Leo
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0700, Joshua Kwan wrote:
> Which is better? I like the default keys because you learn how to use
> nvi very efficiently knowing the hjkl-style keys :) I'm searching for as
> many opinions as possible so please speak up!
number_pad is your friend. It's far easier
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the
> opinion of others developpers ]
>
> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split
> > into two. There's no need t
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:36:04PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Please don't get me wrong, I don't insist of using adduser. IMHO
> Mathieu's solution of checking whether adduser is available is
> acceptable, if adduser is not installed then I can't break any admin
> preferences anyway. In addition,
Searching for a general consensus here...
These days Debian's nethack packages contain default nethackrcs which
enable number_pad style controls (instead of hjkl keys) by default, due
to a bug filed on the packages a long time ago. Of course, there are some
who like it and some who don't. It's too
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 06:27:59PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Debian and Democracy
>> > Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master)
>>
>>
>> Ha.
Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Of course but I think if the developper did something is because he
>> think this is better and this should be respected (if doesn't broke
>> the policy)
>
> You've had about 8 people tell you that what you did was a bad idea, along
> with some pretty
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which
>>> stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user. Neither for the
>>> unexperienced user nor the power user.
>>
>> More or less. O
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 16-Oct-03, 13:11 (CDT), Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yes but to my sense is really better to enduser have this packages
>> splited since the search-citeseer can work (without problems) without
>> the -el part and I want provide thi
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:32:11PM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow
> >> the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 06:27:59PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>
> >
> > Debian and Democracy
> > Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master)
>
>
> Ha. Hahahaa. Ha, ha, ha...
You don't think he's a Mast
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 06:09:10PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> However, at least lm-sensors and i2c need attention soon.
The i2c bugs are due to some major upstream breakage. I don't see how we're
really going to handle that stuff, the situation is just plain old ugly.
(FWIW I still haven't (mad
Hi!
Please don't get me wrong, I don't insist of using adduser. IMHO
Mathieu's solution of checking whether adduser is available is
acceptable, if adduser is not installed then I can't break any admin
preferences anyway. In addition, user postgres has uid 31, thus
base-passwd should have given its
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> More or less. Doesn't make sense include a depends of Emacs in
> search-citeseer and the -el part depends of this. The better option is
> split in two package each with your depends and needs.
No.
> The sugestion of James is not right to include emac
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which
>> stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user. Neither for the
>> unexperienced user nor the power user.
>
> More or less. One search show both packages and user can read what
I have the chance to tag along on a (company) trip to one of our colo
centers tomorrow (located at 25 Broadway, New York NY 10004-1010). Are
any developers available tomorrow to sign keys in that general area?
There don't appear to be any developers close to where I live (upstate
ny/albany area).
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The Social Contract say: The focus is the user. So, to enduser is more
>> easy provide two packages and he can choice what to do.
>
> I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which
>
Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow
>> the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking about size
>> requeriments.
>
> Policy is not everything that counts. Just be
Just wanted to mention another approach that avoids guessing at which
files need to be touched and in what order. This is what I use in
debian/rules when I need to modify automake source files:
# Suppress accidental execution of the auto-* tools; see
# http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/de
On 16-Oct-03, 13:11 (CDT), Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes but to my sense is really better to enduser have this packages
> splited since the search-citeseer can work (without problems) without
> the -el part and I want provide this option for our users.
My sense is exactly the o
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Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The Social Contract say: The focus is the user. So, to enduser is more
> easy provide two packages and he can choice what to do.
I disagree. Forcing the user to spend to much time micromanage which
stuff he wants is not to the bennefit of the user. Ne
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And no one is obliged to do all like James think. The package follow
> the policy and doesn't have any point in policy talking about size
> requeriments.
Policy is not everything that counts. Just because policy doesnt say
something it means it is goo
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the
>> opinion of others developpers ]
>
>> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> This package is dubiously small enough as it is witho
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 16-Oct-03, 10:50 (CDT), Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the
>> opinion of others developpers ]
>
> Okay, since you ask:
Perfect :-)
>> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:05:56PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.11.0554 +0200]:
> > People care more about some things than others. Given a choice between
> > IPsec in Debian kernels by default and being able to apply grsecurity to
> > De
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:04:27PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.10.2333 +0200]:
> > It is in 2.5 and 2.6. It is in Linux henceforth. FreeSWAN, on top of
> > its other issues, is not, has never been, and never will be, part of the
> > off
I demand that David B Harris may or may not have written...
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:02:47 -0400
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> David B Harris wrote:
>>> As much as you may dislike it, people care about toolkit. I don't
>>> understand the witch-hunt to remove references to such things.
>
For the news: :)
The local Debian User Group in São Paulo is organizing a one-day
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The english version of the press release is incl
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 02:07:38PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:13:23AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> > I still need to get KDE 3.1.4 into sid and stablized. I hope for it to
> > be ready to migrate into sarge by Oct 20 (including the 10 day wait
> > time). From what Col
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also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.11.0554 +0200]:
> People care more about some things than others. Given a choice between
> IPsec in Debian kernels by default and being able to apply grsecurity to
> Debian kernel source, I'd take IPsec anyday.
Well, I would do it the other
also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.10.2333 +0200]:
> It is in 2.5 and 2.6. It is in Linux henceforth. FreeSWAN, on top of its
> other issues, is not, has never been, and never will be, part of the
> official kernel.
>
> Is that clearer?
Doesn't explain why the IPsec patch s
Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the
> opinion of others developpers ]
> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split
>> into two. There's no need to separ
On 16-Oct-03, 10:50 (CDT), Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [ I'm including the debian-devel list in CC since I appreciate the
> opinion of others developpers ]
Okay, since you ask:
> James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > This package is dubiously small enough as it is without
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 03:13:23AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> I still need to get KDE 3.1.4 into sid and stablized. I hope for it to
> be ready to migrate into sarge by Oct 20 (including the 10 day wait
> time). From what Colin Watson mentioned to me earlier today there are
> some other packages
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:38:57PM +0200, Peter Makholm wrote:
> /*
>
> You might ignore this comment...
>
> Looking at the list of RC bugs the packages seems to fall in two
> categories. Packages I don't use and packages I don't feel comfortable
> in touching (glibc being an example of the
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:40:27AM -0400, Simon Law wrote:
> I would be glad to change it if there were a fair number of
> developers who think that suggesting contrib software is fine.
Suggesting contrib software is fine.
--
- mdz
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 04:39:49AM +1000, Kim Lester wrote:
> Some of the ideas I have implemented include a "pkg info" file in each
> package
> containing the
> pathname
> uid, gid (numeric)
> md5sum,
> size (useful to humans)
> mode
> symlink target (for syml
On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 07:43:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Eventually I found aptitude's "Dselect" theme, which helped some.
>
> I guess aptitude could be made the recommended default package manager,
> but I would hope that:
> 1. Something more closely approximating the Dselect theme i
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 10:04:38PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Note that the testing scripts themselves do not examine Build-Depends
> today; such problems are only identified through manually filed RC bug
> reports. Which is not to say that we shouldn't be tracking such
> problems -- just tha
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 09:30:06PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.10.10.0223 +0200]:
> > ...and the freeswan patch is not in the Linux kernel (and as I understand
> > it, it never will be).
>
> The IPsec patch is not in the 2.4 kernel either.
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 04:25:17PM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
>
> Debian and Democracy
> Posted 7 Oct 2003 by exa (Master)
Ha. Hahahaa. Ha, ha, ha...
--
- mdz
On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 09:45:53PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> It's amazing how problem solving here is equated with "actively
> waiting for problems to go away".
>
> I wanted to improve Debian, but apparently there is no interest.
> Herbert gets to pollute the kernel-source all he wants beca
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:54:07PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> I just got the following messages replacing syslog by syslog-ng from dselect
> (Woody).
> Should this be reported as a bug? Against which package (syslog, syslog-ng,
> apt)?
Definitely not apt.
> The problems are:
> - - messages rega
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:01, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > Why would there be an issue on depending on a more important package?
> >
> > Having an optional/misc package pre-depend on an important/base package
> > seems like a non-issue to me.
>
> adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need
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James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This package is dubiously small enough as it is without being split
> into two. There's no need to separate
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > > Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql
> >
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:27:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > > Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql
> > > package.
> > > useradd is included in the package
Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
>> On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
>> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote:
>> > > The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its
>> > > preinst script to properly save
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> > > adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be
> > > installed when installing postgres. I'm not quite sure what you
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> Hum, instead of adduser, useradd should be used by the posgresql
> package.
> useradd is included in the package passwd, which is "required" package
> from the "base" section.
Please ignore this dangerous moron.
--
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:51:33PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> > adduser is neither essential nor required, thus does not need to be
> > installed when installing postgres. I'm not quite sure what you mean,
> > could you please explain this?
> >
> > Th
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Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> Hi Russell and all others,
>
> On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > > The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its
> > > preinst script to properly save the current
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>
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Hi Russell and all others,
On 2003-10-16 21:39 +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its
> > preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading
> > (cf. Bug #180199). Theref
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:00, Martin Pitt wrote:
> The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its
> preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading
> (cf. Bug #180199). Therefore it should pre-depend on 'adduser'.
Why would there be an issue on depending on
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 07:24:21PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> > Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I
> > want to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it.
>
> Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose
Hi!
On 2003-10-16 19:24 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
>
> > Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want
> > to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it.
>
> Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of disc
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:00:47AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want
> to do now. If anybody objects I will just do it.
Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of discussing these sorts of things?
As it stands, I don't see a problem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) a tapoté :
> Andreas Rottmann wrote:
> > >> Btw, "sysutils" is taken, so I take "gsysutils". Does someone prefer
> > >> "gnu-sysutils"?
> > >
> > > I would, as I associate gsomething with a Gnome-frontend for something
> > > (e.g gsudo), but I don't claim that is com
Hi!
The package postgresql needs to use 'adduser' and 'addgroup' in its
preinst script to properly save the current database before upgrading
(cf. Bug #180199). Therefore it should pre-depend on 'adduser'.
Pre-Dependencies are supposed to be discussed at d-devel which I want
to do now. If anybody
Andreas Rottmann wrote:
> >> Btw, "sysutils" is taken, so I take "gsysutils". Does someone prefer
> >> "gnu-sysutils"?
> >
> > I would, as I associate gsomething with a Gnome-frontend for something
> > (e.g gsudo), but I don't claim that is common conception.
> >
> Well, I can back that up. A Gnome
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> Proposal A: Clarifies status of non-technical documents. Creates
> Foundation Documents class which requires 3:1 major
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