Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-24 Thread Clint Adams
> Yeah, it's really a pity that we failed to convert mid-end ethernet cards > and mid-end machines into high-end harddisks, and it's so trivial, isn't > it? I seem to remember at least two occasions where offers of the use of machine, rackspace, and bandwidth were turned down. I think in most cas

Re: Orphaning xmlto

2002-11-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:51:14AM -0500, christophe barbe wrote: > So if someone is interested and feels he can do a better job, I would be > happy. i would be interested in packaging it, but seeing as im not a developer yet, i would need a sponsor (though i can ask david and see if he might be w

Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:45:24AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Once again, we tell mirrors that they can mirror only i386, and that > > would be fine. We already have mirrors that mirror some arches and > > not others, right? > > Currentl

Re: NM application

2002-11-24 Thread Graham Wilson
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:07:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > -newmaint-discuss is probably better. > > Dead list according to lists.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not though, and there has been some discussion there in the past. -- gram pgpW8

Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-24 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:45:24AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Once again, we tell mirrors that they can mirror only i386, and that > would be fine. We already have mirrors that mirror some arches and > not others, right? Currently we have a good, solid mirror infrastructure. I can expe

Re: NM application

2002-11-24 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > -newmaint-discuss is probably better. Dead list according to lists.debian.org -- bye Joerg A.D. 1492: Christopher Columbus arrives in what he believes to be India, but which RMS informs him is actually GNU/India.

Re: Ian Jackson in New Zealand

2002-11-24 Thread Philip Charles
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Ian Jackson wrote: *** > Secondly, if anyone in NZ would like to meet up please let me know > ASAP. It'd be good to go out for a drink or three. Maybe I can even > teach you Mao :-) (or have a good game if you know it already ...). > I'll post again when I have flight number

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:15:00AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 04:10, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > Actually John, you and Branden seem to be about the only people posting in > > support of the GR. No doubt there are others who agree, but what makes > > you think there are so ma

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-24 Thread Martin Schulze
Clint Adams wrote: > > No, it's not. Low end disks are cheap. High end disks still aren't. > > Bandwidth still isn't. Especially when you're spending donated > > resources rather than your own. > > Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donations in the past. Yeah, it's really a pity t

Re: Need access to an Alpha

2002-11-24 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
I have one of my two Multias online 24/7 runnin Woody/stable that might be of assistance... Jeremy On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:04:59PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a problem with a package I maintain building from source on the > Alpha architecture. > > I'm s

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-24 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 10:32:47PM -0800, Thomas Zimmerman wrote: > Well, no. But then, I've not had to do anything other then use a 2.4 > kernel to get IDE DMA. But most desktop work is letency based and using > a kernel with the low latency patch and preempt cuts max latency by > about 6 times b

Re: Bug#170559: ITP: fontconfig -- Font configuration and customization library

2002-11-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 12:42, Ari Pollak wrote: > * Package name: fontconfig First of all, have you talked to Branden about this? Second, I've been maintaining unofficial packages of fontconfig and xft2 in my "local" repository for quite some time now; see http://people.debian.org/~walters T

ATI Technologies Inc. Canada - Email submission

2002-11-24 Thread ATI Technologies Inc. Canada
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Re: Ye Olde optimization/mirror disk space debate

2002-11-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Benoit Peccatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do you sometime think at other people's bilities ? > I'm sure big mirrors don't care, how about those who can't afford > the expense ? Either because their disks are already full and they > don't wan't to buy new ones or because buying new ones may me

Re: Free bigot flame burning, time to think.

2002-11-24 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 07:41:02AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Reasons for not to expel non-free: > > (1) size of non-free section has no practical impact to over all >archive size (<<3%) No real financial damage. >See Susan's post Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > (6) Fl

Bug#170565: ITP: uif -- Advanced iptables-firewall script

2002-11-24 Thread Cajus Pollmeier
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: uif Version : 1.0.4 Upstream Author : Joerg Platte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://area51.mfh-iserlohn.de/uif * License : GPL Description : Advanced iptables-fire

Bug#170472: info: top Info pages of different packages wildly differ

2002-11-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:18:15AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: Therefore folks should make top Info nodes with proper headers. How about a debian Info pages policy. How 'bout just filing wishlist bugs with patches? Mike Stone

Ian Jackson in New Zealand

2002-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Work are sending me to Asiacrypt, which is in Queenstown from the 1st to the 5th of December. I'm also going to be taking some time in NZ for sightseeing etc. So firstly, I'm going to be away from my email for quite a bit. I may have some access from NZ, but hotel connectivity is strange and my

Bug#170559: ITP: fontconfig -- Font configuration and customization library

2002-11-24 Thread Ari Pollak
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-24 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: fontconfig Version : 2.1 Upstream Author : Keith Packard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.fontconfig.org * License : M

Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

2002-11-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Branden Robinson writes ("Re: Discussion - non-free software removal"): > While we're on the subject, can you tell us whether or not the Social > Contract was specifically one of the documents you had in mind when you > wrote clause 4.1.5 of the Debian Constituion? Could you answer the same > ques

Processed: #64071: Automatically generated files should not go to /etc

2002-11-24 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 64071 general Bug#64071: menu: Automatically generated files should not go to /etc Bug reassigned from package `menu' to `general'. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian bug tracking system admin

#64071: Automatically generated files should not go to /etc

2002-11-24 Thread Bill Allombert
reassign 64071 general thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I noticed that menu generates files in /etc automatically, e.g. > > /etc/X11/fvwm/menudefs.hook > > /etc should be for configuration files only, not automatically generated > files. > > The discussion in debian-devel suggests /var/lib/m

Re: Ask yourself some questions

2002-11-24 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Scott Dier may or may not have written... > * Yven Leist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021122 10:43]: >> Y'see Branden, at least the "get rid of Branden's evil jokes" GR would >> easily be overthrown :-) > /me notes that he is generally laughing out loud at most of them. > Sadly, my coworke

Bug#170546: ITP: gnarwl -- Email autoresponder based on LDAP

2002-11-24 Thread Cajus Pollmeier
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnarwl Version : 2.3 Upstream Author : Patrick Ahlbrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.oss.billiton.de * License : GPL Description : Email autoresponder bas

Orphaning xmlto

2002-11-24 Thread christophe barbe
I am thinking about orphaning xmlto. It's a very useful package but I am not very uptodate with sgml/xsl and I know nearly nothing about TeX (and doesn't want to). So if someone is interested and feels he can do a better job, I would be happy. Most current bugs are fixed in the new upstream but u

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 04:10, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 08:34:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > would be a positive improvement over the status quo); I wonder what > > > Debian > > > developers who supp

Re: NM application

2002-11-24 Thread Carlos Laviola
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:21:37PM +1100, Geoff O'Callaghan wrote: > Sorry to raise this at the moment as i'm sure everyone is busy recovering > from recent events and even though this is probably not the appropriate forum > all my other efforts have fallen on deaf emails. -newmaint-discuss is p

Bug#170518: ITP: libnet-easytcp-perl -- Easily create secure, bandwidth-friendly TCP/IP clients and servers

2002-11-24 Thread Shiju p. Nair
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-24 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libnet-easytcp-perl Version : 0.17 Upstream Author : Mina Naguib, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/author/MNAGUIB/EasyTCP-0.16/ * License : Perl license

Re: Need access to an Alpha

2002-11-24 Thread UCC
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:04:59PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a problem with a package I maintain building from source on the > Alpha architecture. > > I'm still going through the NM process, and I believe that once I become a > DD I'll get access to a Debian Project Alpha.

Re: Bug#170472: info: top Info pages of different packages wildly differ

2002-11-24 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 12:05:32PM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:18:15AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > > Package: info > > Version: 4.1-2 > > Severity: normal > (..) > > Therefore folks should make top Info nodes with proper headers. > > How about a debia

Multiple conflicts between firewall configuring packages (policy change? mass bug filing?)

2002-11-24 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
In Debian (woody and sid) we have multiple firewall configuration packages: iptables, firestarter, gfcc, knetfilter, easy-firewall, firewall-easy to mention a few. All of them make use of the kernel firewalling code. However, if a user installs more than one of them he might get into _Big_ trouble

Re: Need access to an Alpha

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Would an Alpha in UK be OK?? Running Debian unstable and potentially on 24/7 Andy - Original Message - From: "Andrew Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Need access to an Alpha

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-24 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:07:35AM +0100, Mateusz Papiernik wrote: > > Since I'm a Norwegian and not a German, I'd prefer not to. ;) My > > German is quite rusty. > If it will only the page, which is now, I can translate it into Polish, > but I haven't debian-account yet. > > btw, official debia

Re: Need access to an Alpha

2002-11-24 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 09:04:59PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hi, > > I've got a problem with a package I maintain building from source on the > Alpha architecture. > > I'm still going through the NM process, and I believe that once I become a > DD I'll get access to a Debian Project A

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 11:32:47PM -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: > > > Why not http://www.debian.org/devel, under "Projects"? > > You're right! D-I is (I think?) official, and important project, and it > > should have homepage in debian.org, not in "something people" on > > people.d.o. Am I righ

Re: Bug#170400: ITP: tsclient -- Terminal Server Client - GNOME 2 rdesktop frontend

2002-11-24 Thread Thorsten Sauter
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:47:36AM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > Package: wnpp > Version: unavailable; reported 2002-11-24 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: tsclient > Version : 0.56 > Upstream Author : Erick Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Kyle Herbert <[EMAIL PR

Bug#170472: info: top Info pages of different packages wildly differ

2002-11-24 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:18:15AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Package: info > Version: 4.1-2 > Severity: normal (..) > Therefore folks should make top Info nodes with proper headers. > How about a debian Info pages policy. > Agreed. Please propose content for such a section in the DDP p

Need access to an Alpha

2002-11-24 Thread Andrew Pollock
Hi, I've got a problem with a package I maintain building from source on the Alpha architecture. I'm still going through the NM process, and I believe that once I become a DD I'll get access to a Debian Project Alpha. In the meantime, does someone have an Alpha that they can give me temporary ac

Re: debian-installer status 2002-11-22

2002-11-24 Thread Rob Bradford
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 16:16, Samuli Suonpaa wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > EVMS support has been added.. I played with it a little, but it was > > broken because it was compiled with readline support, while no > > readline libraries were in the archive. I've just played a

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-24 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> Since I'm a Norwegian and not a German, I'd prefer not to. ;) My > German is quite rusty. If it will only the page, which is now, I can translate it into Polish, but I haven't debian-account yet. btw, official debian polish translator AFAIR is porridge? -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds li

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Michael Cardenas | So should we do this? Who would I speak to about that? ask on -www to be added to the webwml group. | Also, does anyone want to volunteer to translate the page for me? | Tollef, want to do the german? Since I'm a Norwegian and not a German, I'd prefer not to. ;) My Germa

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 08:34:19AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 01:25:23AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > would be a positive improvement over the status quo); I wonder what Debian > > developers who support non-free think of these ideas? > > It must feel good to total

Re: Throwing out random thoughts about the whole non-free imbraglio

2002-11-24 Thread Junichi Uekawa
> > * Abandon non-free entirely, but have SPI sponsor a apt-gettable server > > (third-party.debian.org) for third-party developers to put .deb packages > > on. > I'd already raised this possibility before (moving non-free out of Debian > but to some other SPI project). It doesn't have to be

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-24 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:57:45PM +0100, Mateusz Papiernik wrote: > > Why not http://www.debian.org/devel, under "Projects"? > You're right! D-I is (I think?) official, and important project, and it > should have homepage in debian.org, not in "something people" on > people.d.o. Am I right? >

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-24 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 06:37:16PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 14:07, Michael Cardenas wrote: > > > I have to admit, I sure would love to have gnome2. Last time I tried > > to install my machine, the upgrade scripts failed miserably, > > I don't understand why people are s

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-24 Thread Thomas Zimmerman
On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:37:02 + Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Turning on IDE DMA is a performance improvement of around a factor of > 6-10 (2-3Mb/sec -> 25-40Mb/sec), for disk-bound operations. You can > get *more* than a 6-times improvement in performance? Well, no. But t

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 12:36:13AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:31:46AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > You need to keep track (at both ends of the link) of the last > > sequence number sent. > > can we perhaps set up a mailinglist or discuss this on the mailinglist of >

Re: Ask yourself some questions

2002-11-24 Thread Scott Dier
* Yven Leist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021122 10:43]: > Y'see Branden, at least the "get rid of Branden's evil jokes" GR would easily > be overthrown :-) /me notes that he is generally laughing out loud at most of them. Sadly, my coworkers think I'm going insane rather than laughing at a good joke. :