Re: Packages.bz2, Sources.bz2, Contents-*.bz2, oh my

2002-09-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 11:47:26AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > The release file at: > http://snoopy.apana.org.au:8081/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Release Wrong Release file. You want debian/dists/unstable/Release. > contains: 5fae015d924f72c2568bbc55cd1ee887 7822376 main/binar

pbuilder sid chroot libpcap0

2002-09-02 Thread Brian May
Hello, I can't seem to create a sid chroot, required to build one of my packages for unstable, because libpcap0 doesn't seem to be available in unstable (according to http://packages.debian.org/libpcap0 and madison). Whats wrong here? Why does pbuilder even need to install libpcap0? I can't ins

Re: old ITP's

2002-09-02 Thread Vikram
Hi, I had mailed you earlier [cc'ed debian-devel too] , dont know if you remember. I had packaged the tcptrace debs sometime back as I wanted to use it for applying to be a debian maintainer but you told me you were working on it and intended to complete it in the near future. If you are too b

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Stephen Frost
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Policy doesn't rule the NMUs. There's no rule for NMUs, just > guidelines ... and the guideline during a BSP are "NMU without prior > notification but upload to DELAYED in order to leave some time to the > maintainer if he's not happy with the NMU". T

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Thorsten Sauter wrote: > > But what about every other PHP extension library out there? libphp-adodb, > > for instance, uses /usr/lib/adodb - in violation of the FHS > not true. :) > since version 2.31-1 libphp-adodb is now installed in /usr/share/adodb, > this should now confo

Re: Packages.bz2, Sources.bz2, Contents-*.bz2, oh my

2002-09-02 Thread Brian May
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 11:30:13AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > debootstrap downloads Packages.bz2, Packages.gz, or Packages in order > of preference, depending on which are listed in the Release file. > > > I: Retrieving > > http://snoopy.apana.org.au:8081/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i38

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On 2 Sep 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Matthew> It's a very bad thing, in my opinion. If (for whatever > Matthew> reason) you'd had a directory called dwww when you'd > Matthew> installed dwww, you'd have lost it all (I think - I don't > Matthew> think I've ever hit the situation personally).

Re: Packages.bz2, Sources.bz2, Contents-*.bz2, oh my

2002-09-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 11:15:14AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > pbuilder does seem to require downloading Packages, not Packages.gz. > Why? Is this a debootstrap bug? debootstrap downloads Packages.bz2, Packages.gz, or Packages in order of preference, depending on which are listed in the Release file

Re: Packages.bz2, Sources.bz2, Contents-*.bz2, oh my

2002-09-02 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:38:52PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > Still, the Packages files should only be removed after no software in > our stable distribution depends on it. If you remove the Packages file > from unstable now you will break apt-proxy (and perhaps other tools > too). Does apt-p

Bug#159392: ITP: tetrinetx -- GNU Tetrinet server

2002-09-02 Thread Helios de Creisquer
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-03 Severity: wishlist * Package name: tetrinetx Version : 1.13.16 Upstream Author : Brendan Grieve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://tetrinetx.sf.net/ * License : GPL Description : GNU Tetrinet server The GNU

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Sep 02, 2030 at 11:20:05AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote: > He mentioned that we lack regression tests for packages, > but as far as I know, no solution has been found. Yay! 'bout time someone took this particular ball and ran with it! > What? > - > The main idea is to make tests on pa

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Steve Langasek wrote: > > But what about every other PHP extension library out there? libphp-adodb, > > for instance, uses /usr/lib/adodb - in violation of the FHS, I believe, > > since PHP scripts shouldn't be architecture specific. But that's not really > > the issue here -

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:41:39AM +0200, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:06:20PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > The NMU was made before I was in any way contacted. > Would you please stop bitching, you're getting on my nerves. Except you > nearly nobody sees this as a proble

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Matthew> On 2 Sep 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: Matthew> I don't know of any web server which doesn't support an Matthew> equivalent concept to Apache's aliases; I feel that /var/www Matthew> (and I think practice bears me out) is pretty much local Matthew> space - we don't fiddle with it (except whe

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On 2 Sep 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Matthew> I don't know of any web server which doesn't support an > Matthew> equivalent concept to Apache's aliases; I feel that /var/www > Matthew> (and I think practice bears me out) is pretty much local > Matthew> space - we don't fiddle with it (except when

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Fabien> Shouldn't webpage go to /var/www or at least /var/, and _not_ Fabien> /usr/share ? We are talking about PHP, but it's still webpages Fabien> after all. Matthew> I don't know of any web server which doesn't support an Matthew> equivalent concept to Apache's aliases; I feel that /var/www Ma

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On 2 Sep 2002, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > Matthew> I would like to propose /usr/share/php4 as the place for all > Matthew> scripts intended to run under php4 (whatever subversion) and > Matthew> intended for inclusion in other PHP scripts. > > I agree, but let's not forget about php3. I have no re

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Fabien Penso wrote: > > As a kind of an adjunct to the other discussion on PHP libraries, what > about > > PHP programs? Not quite so touchy, as I can't see a single way forward > here > > (and there's no blazingly obvious reason to do so). So what are people's > > best

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:47:23PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > > Anyway, this discussion is superfluous too, as the dpkg maintainers have > > already decided to move over to the C, GNU version in the future. (See > > debian-dpkg list archives for details.) > > We have? I remember you saying so you

Bug#159385: general: install a package but don't have it's magic funcionality on by default

2002-09-02 Thread Dan Jacobson
Package: general Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-03 Severity: minor First examine a bug report I sent regarding a typical package, "bl": My idea of inviting bl onto my computer was that it would be there when i need it, but not on by default. as there is no easy way of configuring it not to start

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Adam Heath
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Josip Rodin wrote: > Anyway, this discussion is superfluous too, as the dpkg maintainers have > already decided to move over to the C, GNU version in the future. (See > debian-dpkg list archives for details.) We have?

Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

2002-09-02 Thread Philip Charles
On 2 Sep 2002, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Erich Schubert > > | > One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for > | > creation/addition of packages to it? > | > | See debian-policy... > | > | Excerpt from the changelog: > | * we no longer have task packages, instead, we def

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 11:57:03PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > Anyway, this discussion is superfluous too, as the dpkg maintainers have > already decided to move over to the C, GNU version in the future. (See > debian-dpkg list archives for details.) I am pleased to hear this. -M-

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:40:02PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: > > As it has been pointed out hundreds of times, it is GNU that distributes a > > program under then name 'install-info' which is incompatible with the dpkg > > version. :) > > > > (The version in dpkg has seniority.) > > It's no

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 11:19:26PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > As it has been pointed out hundreds of times, it is GNU that distributes a > program under then name 'install-info' which is incompatible with the dpkg > version. :) > > (The version in dpkg has seniority.) It's not a matter of senior

Re: old ITP's

2002-09-02 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 08:30:13PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > #89421 tcptrace filed: 531, changed 531 This was mine, and I do still intend to package it. The issue that prevented me from doing so was that it wants to use another software package called xplot, wr

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:38:08PM +0100, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: > > I am wondering if we aren't violating the spirit if not the letter of > > LSB by using a non-standard version of install-info. > > While of course the LSB says nothing about install-info, the fact that > Debian distributes a pr

MySQL cannot connect (using mysqlclientlibs v3.23.49-8)

2002-09-02 Thread Joel Maxwell
I am using fpc 1.0.4 [2001/08/31] for i386.  The program I am trying to run uses mysql unit, and i unit i have masde to simplify mysql usage.  When it get to dbrec.sock:=mysql_connect(PMysql(@dbrec.qmysql),dbrec.host,dbrec.user,dbrec.password); This error arises. An unhandled exception occurred

Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

2002-09-02 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Erich Schubert | > One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for | > creation/addition of packages to it? | | See debian-policy... | | Excerpt from the changelog: | * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a | special field in the control

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Andrew McDonald
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:10:07PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote: [on TLS] > If you're going to tinker with the specification anyway, I would > suggest one where the client states up front whose certificate it wants. Such the Server Name Indication mechanism described in:

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Richard Braakman
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:22:52PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > I would think most places want their own cert and not to share with > > other, probably totally unrelated, people. > > For that, you need a specification that allows you to send a number of certs > (instead of only on

Re: Migration to /usr/share/doc

2002-09-02 Thread Martin Wheeler
On 2 Sep 2002, Shaya Potter wrote: > while I get around it by > adding a '/' at the end of doc others might be just very annoyed. Hear, hear! Try teaching a lab. full of newbies how to access local documentation via a browser, and see just *how* annoyed they can get. -- Martin Wheeler - St

task-spanish exists: expansion proposal (was Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish))

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:00:40PM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote: > > Excerpt from the changelog: > * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a > special field in the control file (and these should be added only > after discussion on the mailing lists)

Re: Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

2002-09-02 Thread Erich Schubert
> One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for > creation/addition of packages to it? See debian-policy... Excerpt from the changelog: * we no longer have task packages, instead, we define tasks using a special field in the control file (and these should be added onl

Re: Migration to /usr/share/doc

2002-09-02 Thread Shaya Potter
that just solves a single instance, most people including me are not experts on this, and just want it to work, while I get around it by adding a '/' at the end of doc others might be just very annoyed. On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 14:25, Clint Adams wrote: > > might it be more friendly to tab'ers to ren

Re: install-info and LSB

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
> I am wondering if we aren't violating the spirit if not the letter of > LSB by using a non-standard version of install-info. While of course the LSB says nothing about install-info, the fact that Debian distributes a program under the name 'install-info' which is incompatible with the GNU versio

Where are tasks now and how are they handled? (Woody sucks because there is no Task: Spanish)

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
(I have skimmed this year's debian-devel-announce as well as the developer's policy and haven't found this explained) One simple question: how are tasks managed? what policy is there for creation/addition of packages to it? Aj[1] seems to say that this is managed by override files. But I wonder i

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Thorsten Sauter
Hello, > But what about every other PHP extension library out there? libphp-adodb, > for instance, uses /usr/lib/adodb - in violation of the FHS not true. :) since version 2.31-1 libphp-adodb is now installed in /usr/share/adodb, this should now conform to the FHS. > I would like to propose /us

Re: Migration to /usr/share/doc

2002-09-02 Thread Clint Adams
> might it be more friendly to tab'ers to rename the dir base-doc instead > of doc-base That seems like overkill. Just do something like zstyle ':completion:*' ignored-patterns 'doc-base'

Re: Migration to /usr/share/doc

2002-09-02 Thread Shaya Potter
might it be more friendly to tab'ers to rename the dir base-doc instead of doc-base On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 02:01, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 23:11, Giorgio Mandolfo wrote: > ... > > I am trying not to use exclusively the simbolic link to /usr/share/doc/ > > but to look directly

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hi Stephen! On Mon, 02 Sep 2002, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Sep 2002, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Brian May wrote: > > > > > (note that I really

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
Ian Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jérôme> One year ago, Martin Michlmayr made a speach at the Debian > Jérôme> Conference 1 about Quality Assurance within Debian and the > Jérôme> progress that have been made so far. He mentioned that we > Jérôme> lack regression tests for packages, but

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Stephen Frost
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 02 Sep 2002, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Brian May wrote: > > > > (note that I really like this realiance on checking the hostname, for > > > > instanc

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
Hi Stephen! On Mon, 02 Sep 2002, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Brian May wrote: > > > (note that I really like this realiance on checking the hostname, for > > > instance it doesn't work properly with virtual name domains

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Jérôme> One year ago, Martin Michlmayr made a speach at the Debian Jérôme> Conference 1 about Quality Assurance within Debian and the Jérôme> progress that have been made so far. He mentioned that we Jérôme> lack regression tests for packages, but as far as I know, no Jérôme> solution has been fo

Re: RFC: Handling of certificates in Debian

2002-09-02 Thread Stephen Frost
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Brian May wrote: > > (note that I really like this realiance on checking the hostname, for > > instance it doesn't work properly with virtual name domains under https, > > but it somehow seems to have become the defacto

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:05:40PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > I guess this is probably going to turn into a mini-policy discussion, and I > hope so, because I think we need some level of standardisation. > There are several PHP extension libraries packaged for Debian; I guess the > most famous

Re: [PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Ian Zimmerman
Matthew> I would like to propose /usr/share/php4 as the place for all Matthew> scripts intended to run under php4 (whatever subversion) and Matthew> intended for inclusion in other PHP scripts. I agree, but let's not forget about php3. -- Ian Zimmerman, Oakland, California, U.S.A. GPG: 433BA0

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Elie Rosenblum
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Le Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:20:22AM -0400, Elie Rosenblum ?crivait: > > Would you agree that performing an NMU without a BTS entry is wrong? > > Nope. > > The strict minimum is : > - create a patch for the NMU > - make the patch av

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:13:51PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Now we just have to solve the upload-to-security problem, or simply > write some other check that scans the security.d.o web pages and > make clever things of it. Maybe using tiger, maybe some other things. But > because tiger can

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

2002-09-02 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:56:08PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: DB>> Discouraging use of patent-encumbered technologies is the same as DB>> political emigration: it is the easy way out of the oppression, DB>> but it is nothing else but a defeat, and when you are fleeing to DB>> another country,

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Joey Hess
John Goerzen wrote: > I'm concerned that a single person has the power to dictate such dramatic > changes in our procedures. Why is the NMU procedure not codified in Debian > Policy? There, at least, we have a better mechanism of updating it. Debian policy does not dictate how developers do stuf

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

2002-09-02 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:22, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > Discouraging use of patent-encumbered technologies is the same as > political emigration: it is the easy way out of the oppression, but it > is nothing else but a defeat, and when you are fleeing to another > country, this defeat will follow you

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

2002-09-02 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 03:28:23AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: RB> I do think that discouraging the use of patent-encumbered RB> "standards" is a useful way to fight patent oppression. It sends RB> the message that a patented standard is a dead standard. Maybe RB> companies will review the

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 05:01:14PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 04:09:21PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hi > > > > > If you want a program to check for security flaws please use one designed > > > for that > > > precisely. Tiger is such a program. Just

Orphaning websec...

2002-09-02 Thread Joop Stakenborg
I am orphaning websec, here is the description: Web Secretary is a web page monitoring software. However, it goes beyond the normal functionalities offered by such software. Not only does it detect changes based on content analysis (instead of date/time stamp or simple textual comparison), it will

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 04:09:21PM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hi > > > If you want a program to check for security flaws please use one designed > > for that > > precisely. Tiger is such a program. Just have the *flaws package recommend: > > or > > depend: on tiger. > > On the other hand tig

Bug#159302: ITP: mcvs -- a version control system that is layered on top of CVS.

2002-09-02 Thread Jesus Climent
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-02 Severity: wishlist * Package name: mcvs Version : 0.22-1 Upstream Author : Kaz Kylheku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/mcvs.html * License : GPL Description : a version control sy

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:09:28PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:47:53AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > > Yes. Luckily I just saw someone that have written a script that checks > > the DSA:s and tell the maintainer that he/she has a vulnerable pac

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Sep 2002, Fabien Penso wrote: > > As a kind of an adjunct to the other discussion on PHP libraries, what > about > > PHP programs? Not quite so touchy, as I can't see a single way forward > here > > (and there's no blazingly obvious reason to do so). So what are people's > > best

Re: Packages affected by removal of free mp3 players

2002-09-02 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 03:23, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If the worst does happen, and we need to remove all mp3 players from > > Debian, many packages will be affected. Most of these are because of > > Why no non-free versions? Non-free versions aren't i

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:27:27PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2030 13:51:42 +0200 > > > > > > This is only a short summary :-) > > > > > > pbuilder has hooks to provide such checkings. > > > > Good, this is a good place to do such test IMO, I'll have a deeper > > look at it.

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:42:32PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > >Nice! How does it work exactly? How do you write tests? Do you have scenarii > >or something? > > The expect script starts up a user-mode-linux on a pre-built chroot, and > then attempts to install the package in it. If that succ

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:47:53AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Yes. Luckily I just saw someone that have written a script that checks > the DSA:s and tell the maintainer that he/she has a vulnerable package. > That is a good solution (best?). The problem is that the DSA is > not able to disti

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:14:37 +0200 Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I also don't see a bug submitted with this. If you're submitting > > NMU's, you sure as hell better be submitting bugs with patches (or > > the fact that no patch is required other than rebuilding with an > > updated

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Jérôme Marant wrote: >On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:19:23PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >> This one time, at band camp, Jérôme Marant wrote: >> > In a chrooted environment, we can install deboostrap and >> > package dependencies through APT. >> >> About 6 months ago I

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 12:42:20PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 06:37:52PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > > Hi Elie! > > > > You wrote: > > > > > Why did you NMU this instead of submitting a bug? > > > This is inappropriate. > > > > Well, it's the intent of a bug squashi

Re: Security notification script

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:07:34PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:31:34PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: > > I have written a python script that allows you to compares locally > > installed packages with those on security.debian.org. Furthermore it > > provid

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:32:42AM +, Martin Wheeler wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > > > If you're not able to maintain > > your packages properly and in a timely manner, and your holding up a > > major part of the distribution, it's your fault. > > I'm interested in t

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
On Mon, 2 Sep 2030 13:51:42 +0200 (B (B (B> > > This is only a short summary :-) (B> > (B> > pbuilder has hooks to provide such checkings. (B> (B> Good, this is a good place to do such test IMO, I'll have a deeper (B> look at it. (B (B (BCurrently I only have: (B$ ls -l pbuilder-sc

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:19:23PM +1000, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Jérôme Marant wrote: > > In a chrooted environment, we can install deboostrap and > > package dependencies through APT. > > About 6 months ago I started writing some code in expect to do just this, to

Re: Security notification script

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:00:21PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:58:43AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > I'm I right when I say that this script only can follow the > > DSA:s that cover woody? It is nice but I would really like a > > ve

Re: Security notification script

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:31:34PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: > I have written a python script that allows you to compares locally > installed packages with those on security.debian.org. Furthermore it > provides a description of the problem/DSA name if the package is > mentioned in the DSA RDF. >

Re: Security notification script

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:58:43AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hi again, > > I'm I right when I say that this script only can follow the > DSA:s that cover woody? It is nice but I would really like a > version that can handle sid too. :) It would be some > more text processing but I think it is

Re: shouldn't root.adm , -rw-r----- , be policy for all non-public log files?

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 06:13:30PM +0200, Joost van Baal wrote: > Hi, > > I maintain the Lire package, which processes log files from e.g. > sendmail, bind, apache, boa and lots of other services. I don't want to > run any Lire processes as root. However, of course, the processes need W

Re: Some proposals about the Email-subsystem, was Re: RFC: OpenLDAP and TLS/SSL

2002-09-02 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, Aug 25, 2002 at 02:56:46PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 10:10:24PM -0600, Georg Lehner wrote: > > Hello! > > > > El sáb, 24-08-2002 a las 17:28, Martijn van Oosterhout escribió: > > ... > > > > Proposal: By default no MTA will be installed. > > > > > > Um

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:19:19PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2030 11:20:05 +0200 > > > How? > > > > > > In a chrooted environment, we can install deboostrap and > > package dependencies through APT. > > > > Then, we need some program that would execute some simple >

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

2002-09-02 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 04:55:24PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: RM> we definitely need an mp3 decoder in debian if we want to fight the RM> patent oppression at all. i think we need another branch for that RM> kind of problems. Debian/liberty in APT over FreeNet, anyone? -- Dmitry Borodaenko

Re: Bug#158683: ITP: oggasm -- MP3 to Ogg converter

2002-09-02 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 01:42:26PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote: RA> As usual Heise got it right: RA> (German). c't is a good info source, but this time they seem biased. First of all, they completely miss the point that you made below: R

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Junichi Uekawa
On Mon, 2 Sep 2030 11:20:05 +0200 > How? > > > In a chrooted environment, we can install deboostrap and > package dependencies through APT. > > Then, we need some program that would execute some simple > scripts in a pseudo language (for safety purpose, tests must > be error prone

Re: [PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Fabien Penso
Matthew a écrit : > As a kind of an adjunct to the other discussion on PHP libraries, what about > PHP programs? Not quite so touchy, as I can't see a single way forward here > (and there's no blazingly obvious reason to do so). So what are people's > best thoughts on the matter? Most pac

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:32:42AM +, Martin Wheeler écrivait: > Individuals differ greatly in their working methods. > So what is considered: "in a timely manner"? (Seriously.) In this case, it is "several weeks" since the first announce of the perl 5.8 update. And we don't have a generic r

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:16:24AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > In the case of something so trivial as causing a recompile for a > problem that has been known for some time the warning given by the > delayed upload should be enough. While a recompile *should* be trivial they still have the po

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:32:42AM +, Martin Wheeler wrote: > I have dropped out of several co-operative projects in the past simply > because I'm a relatively "slow" worker -- i.e. I don't tend to give three > or four fast responses to collective development _in the same day_. > I find that so

Re: RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Jérôme Marant wrote: > In a chrooted environment, we can install deboostrap and > package dependencies through APT. About 6 months ago I started writing some code in expect to do just this, to test my quake2-data installer package. I was able to install the package

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Martin Wheeler
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > This is ridiculous. An NMU is not a punishment for bad maintainers, > it's an offer of help to help you catch up in your Debian work. > > No one should be offended by an NMU. ... and might I add, that in the case of documentation, it should be activel

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Martin Wheeler
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > If you're not able to maintain > your packages properly and in a timely manner, and your holding up a > major part of the distribution, it's your fault. I'm interested in this. Individuals differ greatly in their working methods. So what is considere

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 12:20:22AM -0400, Elie Rosenblum écrivait: > Would you agree that performing an NMU without a BTS entry is wrong? Nope. The strict minimum is : - create a patch for the NMU - make the patch available to the maintainer (via direct mail or bts) If you upload the package to

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Sebastian Rittau wrote: > Remember: You're just the package maintainer. The package does not belong > to you and it's not "yours" by any means. Oh, I think you are very mistaken. It is not his in the sense that it's under GPL. But it's his in the sense that since he is its off

RFC: A regression test framework for Debian packages?

2002-09-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
One year ago, Martin Michlmayr made a speach at the Debian Conference 1 about Quality Assurance within Debian and the progress that have been made so far. He mentioned that we lack regression tests for packages, but as far as I know, no solution has been found. What are regression tests? -

[PHP] Placement of PHP programs?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
As a kind of an adjunct to the other discussion on PHP libraries, what about PHP programs? Not quite so touchy, as I can't see a single way forward here (and there's no blazingly obvious reason to do so). So what are people's best thoughts on the matter? Most packages I've seen put their web-acc

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Sebastian Rittau
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:06:20PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote: > The NMU was made before I was in any way contacted. Would you please stop bitching, you're getting on my nerves. Except you nearly nobody sees this as a problem. If you're not able to maintain your packages properly and in a timely

[PHP] Standard placement of PHP libraries?

2002-09-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
I guess this is probably going to turn into a mini-policy discussion, and I hope so, because I think we need some level of standardisation. There are several PHP extension libraries packaged for Debian; I guess the most famous is probably pear, but I maintain one (phtml, used by some other package

Re: woody CD not bootable with adaptec + scsi-cdrom

2002-09-02 Thread Andreas Metzler
Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >> Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >>> I the discovered that the woody CD (linuxtag prerelease) doesn't >>> boot. I heard of similar for the real woody release CDs on irc. >>> Can an

Re: Java policy

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi again. I have not seen very much complains on the policy. Actually none on fact. So what further steps should I take in order to make this an official policy? On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:56:15PM +0200, Robert Bihlmeyer wrote: > Ola Lundqvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > There are some th

Bug#159271: ITP: ogmtools -- Tools for handling Ogg media streams

2002-09-02 Thread Marc Leeman
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-02 Severity: wishlist * Package name: ogmtools Version : 0.901 Upstream Author : Moritz Bunkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/ogmtools/ * License : GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc. Descripti

Re: Packages affected by removal of free mp3 players

2002-09-02 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If the worst does happen, and we need to remove all mp3 players from > Debian, many packages will be affected. Most of these are because of Why no non-free versions? > their dependency on libsmpeg, which is the SDL MPEG audio and video > decoder. Others dep

Re: The harden-*flaws packages.

2002-09-02 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Daniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hrm. The more I think about this the more I wonder if maybe the > harden-*flaws packages make much sense in stable at all. If someone > is apt-get'ing from security.debian.org, they're already replacing >

Re: Improper NMU (Re: NMU for libquota-perl)

2002-09-02 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Elie Rosenblum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:25:30AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:19:17PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:16:11AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > > Technically it wasn't. The upload is still in t

Re: Security notification script

2002-09-02 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hi again, I'm I right when I say that this script only can follow the DSA:s that cover woody? It is nice but I would really like a version that can handle sid too. :) It would be some more text processing but I think it is doable. Do you want me to make a dependency/recommend from harden-*flaws t

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