Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Andreas Degert
Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Drake> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [...] > > > I prefer the approach to ask questions first, and configure as > > >

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-03 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, i meant you can't prevent the parser to error out on some edited > config files, not that it will happen with every edited config file. config files which are broken should be treated as error conditions. For example, if you put this email message i

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-03 Thread Andreas Degert
Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> --This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can't parse the file, > >> if you've made private changes to it. That's the tradeoff, you take a risk > >> that you won't be able to use linuxconf if you privately edit the file. We > >> will work

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Andreas Degert
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Why can't you ask all the questions first? I am too thnking of > the kernel image package. I can easily design a framework that > gathers all the data a priori -- and yes, you have a point; > Andreas> because the questions depend on th

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Bob Hilliard
Hi, What new and improved features would we forego if you released a mirror28 package? I guess I will have to install 2.9 to see if I'm happy with it. Perhaps you could persuade the author to add support for restarts on partially downloaded files, and any other desirable patches that ar

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Jules Bean wrote: > Changing the GPL in your own home cannot be made illegal. Unless you have > signed a document agreeing not to - and none of us have. Distributing > modified versions of the GPL which claim to be the GPL is clearly illegal > (I hope none of you would argue

Report on Successfull Debain 2.0 installation

1998-06-03 Thread Alexander Kushnirenko
Hi, I send this message yesterday, but perhaps it did not quite make it through, at least I did not notice it on the list... I successfully installed Debian 2.0 on Gateway 2000 computer (P-166) using installation disks 2.0.6. First of thanks for the nice job! There were no real problems an

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 09:58:03PM +0200, Joost Witteveen wrote: > OK, that may well be true. But still the text of the GPL is clear: you > are not allowed to change it, whether you change the name of your cahnged > version or not. I'll mail RMS about this and come back to this list when I get an

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Bear" == Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bear> On the other hand, proportional (or corporate) democracies can be Bear> remarkably stable. In the case of Debian, a pretty straightforward Bear> democracy can be implemented by voting by "shares," where one share == Bear> one pa

Re: Intent to fix base-passwd

1998-06-03 Thread Brian White
> Brian, are you listening ? Yes. I get my reports directly from the bug system so if it gets updated there my reports will reflect that. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --

Re: Intend to package xlogmaster

1998-06-03 Thread Jens Ritter
Jens Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallo all, > > as work continues, here´s my next project: > > I would like to package xlogmaster available from > http://porter.desy.de/~greve/xlogmaster/ > > I have to get a statement from the author which License and copyright > to apply (not the sing

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Raul Miller
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Talked myself into a corner. Someone dig me out? Hmm, you raised some good points I hadn't thought about... How about this quote: To protect your rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you these rights or to ask you to surrend

New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO.

1998-06-03 Thread Jens Ritter
Hallo all, as a lot of us developers have to deal with copyright problems, I would like to start this (hopefully) littly project. I would like to write a COPYRIGHT HOWTO, which might be send to authors of software, which a) do not state what copyright is associated with their software and b) w

Re: Intent to fix base-passwd

1998-06-03 Thread Christian Meder
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 10:18:40AM +0100, James Troup wrote: > Christian Meder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > while testing the base packages I hit the critical bugs surrounding > > the update-passwd binary contained in base-passwd. > > Uh, which critical bugs? --sanity-check now works as exp

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Joost Witteveen wrote: > > sed -e "s/e/E/g" /usr/doc/copyright/GPL > /tmp/my-changed-gpl > > I wouldn't be changing the copyright of any GPL-ed programme -- and I > don't want to change those copyrights. I just want to be allowed to > execute the above command. The text of t

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Bear Giles
> On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:17:15AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > > Democracy would give the majority the feeling that they have the right to > > tell the few what to do, which they absolutely do not have. > > That is the major falling of every democracy[...] There are many different types of

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dale> We must recognise two things: > > Dale>1. Debian functions as a "Goal Oriented Anarchy". > Dale>(Bruce called it "Herding Cats") > > Dale>2. The only

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Raul Miller
Joost Witteveen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, that may well be true. But still the text of the GPL is clear: > you are not allowed to change it, whether you change the name of your > cahnged version or not. You're saying that all those people who have licensed their software under modified vers

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:59:50PM -0500, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > No, because democracy is inefficient in our case. > > I would go a step further and say democracy is always inefficient, in > fact it is "inefficiant by design" Indeed, there is a reason why in the US a republic was formed by

Re: Intent to package v2html, license question

1998-06-03 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Steve Phillips wrote: > I intend to package v2html, the verilog to HTML converter. I have a > question about the license though: Would the following be OK to allow it > in main? No way. It says you can't charge for distribution. So CD people can't even put it on their CDs..

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since people want to discuss goals, let us get this over and > done with. Email me goals, and I promise to have a 100 by the > weekend. Then maybe we can get off and try and actually *DO* > something, like design and implementation, rather than

Intent to package v2html, license question

1998-06-03 Thread Steve Phillips
I intend to package v2html, the verilog to HTML converter. I have a question about the license though: Would the following be OK to allow it in main? -- Steve PhillipsPhone: (715) 830-1200 x109 Silicon Logic Engineering, LLPFAX: (715) 830-1887 131 South

Re: Documentation Freeness (Re: Packages to be removed from hamm)

1998-06-03 Thread Joost Witteveen
> > Hello! > > On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:19:11PM +0200, joost witteveen wrote: > > > > > The document authors already can enforce a lot of things, keeping the > > > document free: > > > > > [...] > > > I want to hear valid reasons why this is not enough before I even think > > > about non-free

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> We must recognise two things: Dale> 1. Debian functions as a "Goal Oriented Anarchy". Dale> (Bruce called it "Herding Cats") Dale> 2. The only reason it is functional is that all the cats have the Dale> same goals

Intend to package xlogmaster

1998-06-03 Thread Jens Ritter
Hallo all, as work continues, here´s my next project: I would like to package xlogmaster available from http://porter.desy.de/~greve/xlogmaster/ I have to get a statement from the author which License and copyright to apply (not the single words copyright or license in the archive! :-( ). --

Intent to package inorwegian, norwegian words for ispell. (and a bit about wnorwegian)

1998-06-03 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
The subject says it all, I think. I've been in touch with the author, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), and all that's left is the copyright document, and actually packaging the thing. :-) As for the norwegian wordlist "wnorwegian", I've been unable to produce a copyright, seems that this just evolved on th

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread Steve Dunham
Tyson Dowd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 03-Jun-1998, Joel Klecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 23:38 -0700 1998-06-02, Tyson Dowd wrote: > > >Manoj addressed most of the big differences in his mail. One that he > > >missed (or glossed over) is the difference in generation of packages. >

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Steve Dunham
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Drake> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > >> > > >> What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured > > >> state? > > Drake>It's a reminder to me t

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Stephen Carpenter
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:17:15AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > [ > This post is a on the long side, and probably not of interest to many > (sorry). > It comes up with the conclusion that Debian and Democracy don't mix. > ] yes it is long...as such I wont quote it all :) > > Why? Because

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Philippe Troin
On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:17:15 BST Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > David> Voting by developers should be limited to the election and > > David> recall of leaders and the ratification of amendments. > > > > Why? Because even though we do all the work, the masses are > > too dumb

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-03 Thread Shaya Potter
At 03:54 PM 6/3/98 +0200, Andreas Degert wrote: >Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I was wondering if we have reached some sort of consesus on Linuxconf. >> >> The points that I see are >> >> *Linuxconf can't lose any info. >> --This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can'

Re: xteddy

1998-06-03 Thread Raul Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Awhile ago I read here of a package someone made called (I think) xteddy, > which was replacement login screen for X. Er.. that's not quite what xteddy is. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trou

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Philip> No, because democracy is inefficient in our case. > > Inefficient or not, if it is the only thing that works ... > As Philip and others have pointed out, that is as feable an

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Andreas" == Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I prefer the approach to ask questions first, and configure as >> it installs. If we are spending time to do this, we should do this >> right. Andreas> In general, you can'

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Brederlow" == Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brederlow> I mean, that when a package is installed, that the Brederlow> recorded du tree (which is needed to calculate the size Brederlow> increase/decrease for updates) could be trimmed to what Brederlow> the users system reflects.

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> No, because democracy is inefficient in our case. Inefficient or not, if it is the only thing that works ... Philip> We developers are not under anyone's power, since we can Philip> always do our own thing, or leave th

Re: Linuxconf not losing info.

1998-06-03 Thread Martin Alonso Soto Jacome
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote: > > I believe linuxconf will version every change that it makes, i.e. if you > > make changes w/ linuxconf and see that it didn't work, you can go back to > > your previous configuration or any one of many previ

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Michael" == Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> a) the data is harder to manipulate: as a separate file, dinstall >> just has to rename the file to a cache area, and use zcat and >> echo to generate the master sizes.gz file. >> >> As a control file, dinstall has to unpack th

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Brederlow" == Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brederlow> The size file should be generated by the server. Here are Brederlow> the reasons: I am (perhaps unnecessarily) worried about time requirements Brederlow> 1. The upload should be unpacked to check if the gz is not

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:23:02PM +0200, Brederlow wrote: > Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [1 ] > > On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > dinstall get the size.gz file from the .deb file (ar -x) and put it to the > > cache area. I don't see the diff

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-03 Thread Andreas Degert
Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was wondering if we have reached some sort of consesus on Linuxconf. > > The points that I see are > > *Linuxconf can't lose any info. > --This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can't parse the file, > if you've made private changes to it

Intent to package

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Meskes
Since I need it for my local use anyway I think about packaging mpsql, a graphical (lesstif) frontend for PostgreSQL. However, since it uses libhelp it is not free for commercial use. So I guess it has to go into non-free. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Project-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus G

xteddy

1998-06-03 Thread Kenneth . Scharf
Awhile ago I read here of a package someone made called (I think) xteddy, which was replacement login screen for X. I have just wadded through ftp.debian and could not find it. As I just got the courage to enable xpm on my system (WOW what a pretty login screen with the debian 'logo' and the spe

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Andreas Degert
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Drake> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> > >> What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured > >> state? > > Drake>It's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still. > >

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Brederlow
Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [1 ] > On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Hi, > > >>"Michael" == Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Michael> I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the > > Michael> control-file (like the

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 03-Jun-1998, Joel Klecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 23:38 -0700 1998-06-02, Tyson Dowd wrote: > >Manoj addressed most of the big differences in his mail. One that he > >missed (or glossed over) is the difference in generation of packages. > > Another one is that he didn't explain what dp

Re: Hamm for other architectures

1998-06-03 Thread Brederlow
Brandon Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are we releasing hamm for any other architectures? I've has a few request > from new testers. Also who should they contact on architecture specific > problems? > > Thanks, > Brandon Apart from some missing Packages m68k is running stable. My A400

Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-03 Thread Shaya Potter
I was wondering if we have reached some sort of consesus on Linuxconf. The points that I see are *Linuxconf can't lose any info. --This might mean that Linuxconf will error out if it can't parse the file, if you've made private changes to it. That's the tradeoff, you take a risk that you won't b

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Philip Hands
[ This post is a on the long side, and probably not of interest to many (sorry). It comes up with the conclusion that Debian and Democracy don't mix. ] > David> Voting by developers should be limited to the election and > David> recall of leaders and the ratification of amendments. > >

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-03 Thread Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > Well, now all we have to do is decide how this information > should be gathered. Does the package maintainer stick it into the deb > file? Should one upload the file separately (possibly modifying > dpkg-genchanges to also pgp stamp th

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 11:42:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Oh, I see. Well, that is even easier to fix ;-) A simple > search and replace should work, I think, from a perusal of the > script. Yes, but please may someone *do* it, and do it now! It's IMHO the only thing keeping me fr

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-03 Thread Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >>"Brederlow" == Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Brederlow> Would that already be a correct Packages file or would dpkg and > Brederlow> similar scream about wrong entries? Could old dpkg's handle the > new > Brederlow> entries?

Re: Install size estimation (using du -S data)

1998-06-03 Thread Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > We have conflicting data here. Mrvn says that the total du > data is only 76k. Charles says that the data is about 400k (which is > way more in line with my off the cuff calculations). If I'm right your calculations where on the basi

Re: Username length inconsistencies.

1998-06-03 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
Dan Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, May 31, 1998 at 11:32:18PM -0400, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > > > Sure, this would work, but I was talking about _shell_script_ way of > > > > doing > > > > that... > > > > Wow, I think I'm going to open a zoo for root-checking methods:) > >

Re: [Off-topic] Licenses (Was: How to reratify the DFSG ?)

1998-06-03 Thread Guy Maor
"Rev. Joseph Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This should also make GPL mods to Mozilla a no-no since that would mean that > Mozilla would have to be GPL. Mozilla is NOT GPL. However RMS said GPL > patches to Mozilla was still possible. Why is it possible for Mozilla and > not for Qt? The

Re: Intent to fix base-passwd

1998-06-03 Thread James Troup
Christian Meder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > while testing the base packages I hit the critical bugs surrounding > the update-passwd binary contained in base-passwd. Uh, which critical bugs? --sanity-check now works as expected, is run by default and update-passwd is no longer run automatically

Re: Linuxconf not losing info.

1998-06-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote: > > does it use RCS or similar to store the previous versions? if not, > > how hard would it be to make it do so? > > don't know, as it's been a year since I've played with it on debian. > However, that was one of the big things I requested, and from reading

Re: Can w3-el be precompiled?

1998-06-03 Thread James Troup
Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You can't. There is *no* way round this other than to upgrade > > gnus if you install custom. > > why not have custom conflict with older versions of gnus. Because gnus is embedded in emacs19, not a separate package; shurely you don't want custom to

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Clarification, I said: > [ Otherwise, I could distribute my "unmodified" pine396-src package in > main, which would be clearly against DFSG ]. Really, this was not a good example, because pine copyright would still say "No commercial use of these trademarks".

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Santiago> Does this mean the modified-for-Debian "mirror" may not be > Santiago> distributed inside the .deb binary package? > > Well, in mirror_2.9-1, all files by Lee are unmodified. No patches yet ... Yes,

Re: Have to get rid of at least some packages

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Meskes
Heiko Schlittermann writes: > I'll take lshell and perforate (for perforate I'm the maintainer, > as I thought for lshell too :-/ ...) Yes, I did some NMUs for it. But since you were so busy I enterer my name to lshells control file, just to get some feedback. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Proj

Re: I'll also be in Cologne...

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Meskes
Scott Hanson writes: > At the last minute, I was able to make arrangements to attend the > Kongress in Colonge. I'll keep my eyes open for Debian folks... Argh! And I won't. I forgot about my wife being out of town. I have to take care of the kids. :-( For the second straight time some of you guys

Re: Intent to package fltk

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Meskes
Gregory S. Stark writes: > It will still be possible to port libforms programs to libfltk probably quite > easily. In many cases all that's required is making a file forms.h that > includes . Is it possible to compile lyx against it? I tried once but failed. This would ba a major plus to me. Mich

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:25:39AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Michael" == Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Michael> I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the > Michael> control-file (like the description) or as new file in *.deb. > > Why do you thi

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Michael" == Michael Bramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Michael> I think the right place is in the *.deb-file. In the Michael> control-file (like the description) or as new file in *.deb. Why do you think so? You don't give any reasons whatsoever, so this is not a technical stat

Re: Tools the Parse config files (was Re: Linuxconf)

1998-06-03 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 07:43:22AM +0300, Shaya Potter wrote: > > Shaya> Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's > > Shaya> personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should > > Shaya> be left to either the program itself like in pine, or to a > > Shaya> package like the

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread Joel Klecker
At 23:38 -0700 1998-06-02, Tyson Dowd wrote: >Manoj addressed most of the big differences in his mail. One that he >missed (or glossed over) is the difference in generation of packages. Another one is that he didn't explain what dpkg-shlibdeps does. >dpkg encourages (practically enforces) buildi

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Drake" == Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Drake> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured >> state? Drake>It's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still.

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 02-Jun-1998, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm currently writting an article for "Linux Actual" (an spanish > magazine on Linux) about the Debian Packaging System (more on the .deb > format than other policies) and I would like to make the BIG question, >

Re: On adding size info to Packages files

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Bramer
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 11:55:06AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Charles" == Charles Briscoe-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Charles> Manoj Srivastava writes: > > Charles> $ gzip -l Sizes.hamm.*.gz > Charles> compressed uncompr. ratio uncompressed_name > Charles> 1

Re: Can w3-el be precompiled?

1998-06-03 Thread Shaya Potter
James Troup wrote: >[ QP brain-damage reversed ] > >"Rev. Joseph Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 01:12:25AM -0400, Gregory S. Stark wrote: > >> > Oh, one gotcha to watch for. If you package Custom you really >> > ought to package Gnus as well and build it against th

Re: Linuxconf not losing info.

1998-06-03 Thread Shaya Potter
At 10:44 AM 6/3/98 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote: > >> Sorry for not responding directly, I only get debian-devel-digest, so I can >> only respond to what I catch. >> >> I believe linuxconf will version every change that it makes, i.e. if you >> make changes w

Re: Tools the Parse config files (was Re: Linuxconf)

1998-06-03 Thread Shaya Potter
At 12:46 PM 6/2/98 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >Hi, >>>"Shaya" == Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Shaya> Also, linuxconf shouldn't be used to configure a user's > Shaya> personal information, such as .bashrc, .pinerc, those should > Shaya> be left to either the program itself like i

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Drake Diedrich
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured > state? It's a reminder to me that I need to configure this package still. > This shall certainly play havoc with large scale upgrades, > when latter pack

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, A short while ago, Ian proposed a specification for an "Automatic query servicing for dpkg installation scripts". I thought that the spec was very well thought out, and really, the best bet for Debian were we to put in serious work on the project. (Unfortunately, some of th

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Johnie" == Johnie Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Johnie> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Manoj> Hi, When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having Manoj> stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not Manoj> great, but not as disastrous

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Dirk" == Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dirk> Note that the license currently states that distributing Dirk> modified versions of mirror is not koscher. I fretted at first, then noticed what it prohibited was distributing modified "code", not modified "binaries" as pine demands.

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Manoj> Hi, When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having Manoj> stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not Manoj> great, but not as disastrous as may seem). Actually its a problem not because "stable" is hardcoded

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"David" == David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> Rather, my point is that strong leadership is needed to help David> keep everyone focused and the project on course in the future. And I think if we need such leadership, we may as well pack our bags and go home, for it is

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On 2 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Shell scripts should generally be mechanically transformable > to Perl, and I have had a look at this one, though not trivial, it is > certainly eminently doable. The question is, should we be doing it at > this late stage in the game? Well, if it

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Manoj hit all the major points, and about every other point under the sun :) But I would like to expand on what I think are the key differences. 1) It's a distributed volunteer based system with lots of contributors. This sometimes leads to long arguments, but it means that policies must be

Re: first package

1998-06-03 Thread Eric Leblanc
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:18:03AM +0200, Michael Dietrich wrote: > > but the second error seems to be more serious. in line 1 of my > > changelogfile is nothing wrong compared to the script. it just says: > > z (1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low > > (my package is called 'z' for now) is the name a

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Manoj> Umm. I don't know how to say this tactfully. I shall Manoj> try. It may be better, I think, in this and other tasks Manoj> (like modifying dpkg), that the new author be one able to Manoj> grok the original.

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured state? This shall certainly play havoc with large scale upgrades, when latter packages require earlier packages to be configured. To be absolutely certain, you may, in the worst case, have to set up and configure packages o

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Ben" == Ben Gertzfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: joost> /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/disk/setup is a shell script with joost> snippets of perl code incuded. IMHO it is not a bad idea to joost> write the whole script in perl, considering that it assumes joost> perl to be present anyway. Ben

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-03 Thread David Engel
On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:35:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > David> Reread some of my earlier messages. I firmly believe that a > David> lack of strong leadership has been one of the biggest > David> contributing factors in Debian's inability to put out timely > David> releases. > >

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Bob> I would like to see this feature continued if it isn't in 2.9-1 Bob> by default. Note that the license currently states that distributing modified versions of mirror is not koscher. There were way more patches, big and small. Maybe I should release a mirror28 package which preserv

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, When Hamm is released, then Hamm shall be stable. Having stable hard coded is not such a horrendously bad idea (not great, but not as disastrous as may seem). Personally, I have stopped using all the dselect methods in favour of the apt method for dselect. However, I unders

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-03 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Santiago> Does this mean the modified-for-Debian "mirror" may not be Santiago> distributed inside the .deb binary package? Well, in mirror_2.9-1, all files by Lee are unmodified. No patches yet ... Marcelo> Isn't that distributing modified bynaries? I mean, you are not Marcelo> distrib

Re: problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "joost" == joost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: joost> abstract: there might be a serious problem involving joost> dselect and hamm's new distribution format that threatens joost> to make Debian 2.0 cd's unusable. *snip* joost> /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/disk/setup is a shell scri

Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-03 Thread Drake Diedrich
I was reading an rpm vs. dpkg, interactive vs non-interactive thread on debian-private (?) when I had the following idea. What happens to a typical postinst script if you kill it when it tries to read from stdin? apt, dselect, or dpkg could have a non-interactive mode. When attempting to

problem with dselect and the "dists" hierarchy

1998-06-03 Thread joost
abstract: there might be a serious problem involving dselect and hamm's new distribution format that threatens to make Debian 2.0 cd's unusable. Hi, I've been doing some tests lately with a harddisk with a full mirror of hamm-i386. Apart from keeping my main home machine up to date with it, I h

Re: Linuxconf

1998-06-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Joel Klecker wrote: > At 07:40 -0700 1998-06-02, Craig Sanders wrote: > > BTW, the fact that you don't understand sendmail doesn't prevent > > others from doing so. sendmail really isn't that difficult, and is > > simpler in some ways because you don't have multiple config file

Re: Differences of Debian vs. the Other Guys

1998-06-03 Thread peloy
Gosh!!! This really was good Manoj. I really enjoyed reading this technical dissertation on the magic of Debian. Can't this be placed somewhere in www.debian.org? E.- Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Well, there are a number of things, but the following are > importa

Re: another look at release-critical bugs: lpr

1998-06-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, 30 May 1998, Jay Wardle wrote: > [...Raul wrote...] > > If this can't be fixed easily, perhaps we ought to promote lprng to > > standard and demote lpr to optional. Yes, I know that bug-for-bug > > compatability is a nice thing, but in my experience lprng is superior to > > lpr. > > > > -

Re: Linuxconf not losing info.

1998-06-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Shaya Potter wrote: > Sorry for not responding directly, I only get debian-devel-digest, so I can > only respond to what I catch. > > I believe linuxconf will version every change that it makes, i.e. if you > make changes w/ linuxconf and see that it didn't work, you can go ba

Re: first package

1998-06-03 Thread Michael Dietrich
> but the second error seems to be more serious. in line 1 of my > changelogfile is nothing wrong compared to the script. it just says: > z (1.0-1) unstable; urgency=low > (my package is called 'z' for now) is the name a problem (too short)? renamed it to zet: that works. so debian package na