Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > Why? The files are called ".html.gz" in the file system. Thus, these links > are valid. We only have to implement on-the-fly decompression on some web > servers. (This functionality could be useful for others, too, so we could > forward our patches t

Re: Re^2: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Moin Christoph! > > CL> 200Mhz Pentiums are the standard fare today. And I am running > CL> the boa webserver for example on some low memory 486DX66s with > > I'm using a 486/100 and a 486SL/33. In my opinion we should avoid using > the server to uncompress the files. We should find another s

Something broke my Netscape 3.01.

1997-06-28 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Being bored by the Netscape 4.0b5 crashes I decided to return to the more (?) stable Netscape 3.01; only to discover that something I did in the past moth broke the installation. Last time I used the netscape_3.01-4.deb with 3.01 package from netscape and all went good. This time netscape hangs

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Richard Kaszeta wrote: > >Exactly. So there is no problem when using web-servers. > > Umm, yes, there is. I don't want a server running on my machine for > *security* reasons (and one of the places I put debian machines has a > site policy against running http servers). I

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
> > Err... emmh... THIRD time I write this to the list: > > > > if you ask boa for the file foo.html and it does not exist, > > boa looks for boa.html.gz and if THAT exists boa DECOMPRESS it > > and serves you the uncompressed verion, as if foo.html existed! > > (The browser think it has just loa

Re: auto compiling

1997-06-28 Thread Andy Mortimer
On Jun 28, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote > here are my auto compiling script. there is a bit more management in it, > and i seperated the whole thing in two scripts (the basic idea was, that > they could run on seperated machine, or the build script could run in a > chroot environment for security...).

Re: dc and bc in Important?

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Erik Andersen wrote: > iThis is correct, but has the unfortunate side effect of not being portable, > since not all /bin/sh happin to be bash. No, it also works with ksh. I believe posix.2 specifies that /bin/sh has to provide various features---basically to be a clone of k

Re: question about dpkg-source : why does it create a copy of the orig.tar.gz file ?

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > dpkg-source -x /some/path/to/file_version-rev.dsc > > creates not only file_version/, but also file_version.orig.tar.gz. > why ? So that once you've modified it you can easily package up your changed version. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING

Re: netscape 4.0

1997-06-28 Thread Brian White
> Do we have a netscape 4.0 install package? I cannot connect with master > right now so I cannot check it. There used to bea 4.0-beta installer, but it didn't work for the later betas, so I removed it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROT

Re^2: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 28.06.97 schrieb alegre # saturn.superlink.net ... Moin Fernando! a> 1) The default format for online documentation is HTML. A web browser a> (lynx) and a very small web server (boa) will be in the core distribution, a> marked important. But a lot of people don't want to have a WWW server on

Re^2: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 28.06.97 schrieb clameter # miriam.fuller.edu ... Moin Christoph! CL> 200Mhz Pentiums are the standard fare today. And I am running CL> the boa webserver for example on some low memory 486DX66s with I'm using a 486/100 and a 486SL/33. In my opinion we should avoid using the server to uncomp

Re^2: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 28.06.97 schrieb schwarz # monet.m.isar.de ... Moin Christian! CS> > Would not texi-html or html-texi be a better name? CS> What do the others think about this? I would vote for /usr/doc//html. cu, Marco -- Uni: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fido: 2:240/5202.15 Mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http:/

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread David Frey
> But I thought most people already complain, that there are too many > questions in the installer scripts (postinst). > > What do the others think about this? We probably should ask all questions at the end once? Let dpkg/diety do something like this: 0. The question was already answer

Re: dc and bc in Important?

1997-06-28 Thread Erik Andersen
On Jun 28, Carey Evans wrote > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik B. Andersen) writes: > > [snip] > > > For most math, expr works just fine. Of course, expr is limited > > to integer math, but it works and is portable. > > Actually, for integer math, bash or ksh works quite well. > > bash$ a=41 > bash$ l

Re: Some new package proposals!

1997-06-28 Thread Richard Kaszeta
>Above all i'd like to officially provide my own original package >"equivs-1.0.3", which is a dummy package used to circumvent dpkg's >sometimes completely undesired dependency complaints. I made this >package because i preferred to install and maintain a teTeX tree >different from the official Deb

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Richard Kaszeta
>Exactly. So there is no problem when using web-servers. Umm, yes, there is. I don't want a server running on my machine for *security* reasons (and one of the places I put debian machines has a site policy against running http servers). I have enough problems with security, denial of service at

Re^2: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 28.06.97 schrieb clameter # miriam.fuller.edu ... Moin Christoph! CL> : Don't worry: gzip is part of the base system. CL> Your word needs to be in Microsoft's and Apple's ear. But why should a Windows User browse the Debian online documentation? CL> I like the idea and debianized it but aft

NEW: debian online help system (dhelp)

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Moin Moin! Yesterday I released the first version of my Debian online help system called dhelp. You can download this experimental version from: http://www.tu-harburg.de/~rzthmb At the moment the system is supported by doc-linux-de and selfhtml. What's dhelp? dhelp is an online help syst

Re: Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
Karl wrote: > > Can't apache do that? I think there's a mod-rewrite that will do > > what we need. Though I suppose not everyone runs apache... You tell > > me and we'll both know. I think it's a good idea to have a > > light-weight server that can launch from xinetd. I wrote: > The only way

question about dpkg-source : why does it create a copy of the orig.tar.gz file ?

1997-06-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
dpkg-source -x /some/path/to/file_version-rev.dsc creates not only file_version/, but also file_version.orig.tar.gz. why ? regards, andreas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread David Frey
On Fri, Jun 27 1997 16:10 CDT John Goerzen writes: John, I agree with the overall contents of your remarks. Just some remarks: > * HTML cannot do very much with formatting. [...] > * HTML cannot be easily printed. [...] > * HTML cannot be easily grepped. [...] I fully agree. [...] >

Re: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread David Frey
> I won't use killfiles on debian-devel, and I won't ask Christoph > to leave, so I'm leaving debian-devel myself. Given the > temperature of my recent input, it might be just as well, since > I don't seem to be able to write anything but flames. If anything > important happens, I assume

Re: Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
> I really want the glimpse searching that TkMan has, but within the > XEmacs interface. `dwww' has it, but for some reason it does not find > as many manual entries as Tkman does for the same search. I wonder > why? Perhaps a generalized perl script (or pull the tcl out of tkman > that does i

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
[ I hate to wade into this, but ] > >However, as you surely know, this does not work without web server, since > >the browsers are not looking for "foo.html.gz" if "foo.html" is > >referenced. > > Yes. But if you change the references then the web-serverws will no longer > do on the fly dec

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread John Goerzen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: > > "John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> * GNU Info has an awkward interface and is difficult to > John> search. It is also nearly impossible to print an entire > John> manual from the files in the info director

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > > >Hi! > > > >Christoph, please tell us why using "fixhrefgz" on "html.gz" files does > >not work with our web servers. > > Please read the other posts. Please answer my questions! I haven't foun

Some new package proposals!

1997-06-28 Thread Paul Seelig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi all! Since quite some time i've learned to make and have been been making a few packages the Debian way and i'm considering to contribute them to the Debian project. These packages so far are: * isapnptools-1.10 (see "http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnpt

Lars leaving again

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
: Christoph Lameter: : > There are just the elect few who can handle X. : This comes from the man that says it's OK to require people : to have Pentium 200's... I'm sorry, but I can't really stand : idiots, especially ones who grasp any straw they can in order : to win a debate and have absolutely

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > >Hi! > >Christoph, please tell us why using "fixhrefgz" on "html.gz" files does >not work with our web servers. Please read the other posts. >As far as I have understood, these web servers are so intelligent that if >a file "foo.html" is referenced

Could anyone please explain this to me?

1997-06-28 Thread Michael Meskes
I have a binary /foo that essantially does this: cd / fork; if father exit; setsid; kill all processes not in own session umount /home This works fine, when I simply log in and start /foo as root. However, when I first cd /home after logging in and then start /foo it cannot unmount /home. As you

Re^2: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 27.06.97 schrieb jgoerzen # complete.org ... Moin John! JG>better. And, keep in mind that TeX and SGML/LinuxDoc can be JG>converted to HTML on-the-fly if somebody writes a simple CGI JG>program. That's not true. You can't convert TeX or SGML on-the-fly, because the converters p

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread branden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote: I can sort of see both sides of this argument. I agree that rewriting html documents to say ".html.gz" in their hrefs is bad. [Lars Wirzenius wrote:] > : Being able to read documentation directly without running >

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Browning) wrote on 23.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ricardas Cepas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As of current documentation, you can search only current > > .html file. This is not very usefull. > > Lynx ( on non-gzipped docs) is much slower then info

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 24.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you can saturate the modem with it it would be about two hours I think; > that would be less than two UKP here, though I understand German phone > charges are rather higher. However, the speed of some of the connections

Re: Policy wrt Important (was Re: dc and bc in Important?)

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Goerzen) wrote on 25.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > By the current definition of Important: > * Sendmail should be there instead of smail since people expect >sendmail Nope. The sendmail interface should be there (fr example, /usr/lib/ sendmail), and it is provided

Re: fixhrefgz, boa

1997-06-28 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
This is from the `boa' README.debian: Transparent compressed file support --- Boa supports transparent access to gzipped files and on the fly decompression of the served html pages. No references need to be changes to .gz. If a file with the extension .html cannot

Re:End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Fernando
Christian Schwartz wrote: > So I'll make another proposal. This is meant to be a "compromise" that > everyone here should be able to accept. I will _NOT_ accept simple > "objections" this times. If you can't live with this proposal, you'll have > to present another formulation of a paragraph or of

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Fernando
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > We have the rather unpleasant situation that reading documentation > requires a web server. That's a problem. Fixing it requires changing > the .html files. > I have boa installed in a 386 SX-25 and I hardly notice any overhead. I mean for doing the same thing I would

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Schwarz writes: > > > However, we should probably distinguish between "local daemons" and > > > "network daemons". I think it is pretty safe to start "lpd" on every > > > machine, since the default configuration would not accept queries from > > > foreign hosts. If I install the "lpd" pa

Re: wwwoffle 1.2a

1997-06-28 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Yes, I packaged 1.2a and I am waiting for the account on master so I can upload it. I tryied to upload it to chierk but I cant get a good connection (or a connection at all...). Is there another site that accepts anonymous connections and lets you upload debian packages? I that case I will upload

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 28 Jun 1997, Martin Schulze wrote: > Christian Schwarz writes: > > > > > The situation looks completely different if the server has its own > > > > package, like `msqld' for the server and `msql' for the client. > > > > > > Not really -- the user should still be prompted (or have some co

Re: Looking for help. . .

1997-06-28 Thread Carey Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: [snip] > Unless you really need windows for business or something, the best > thing to do is just install Linux, and tell `fdisk' (the Linux one) to > just turn it into an ext2fs partition. Of course, you really mean to turn it into one ext2fs partit

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
> One questions remains: Is it possible to browse "html.gz" files _without_ > a CGI script with the usual HTML browsers (Netscape, lynx)? If so, we'll > make it policy to gzip all html files and to adopt the references. If not, > we'll have to install all html files gezipped--or add a cgi capable

Re: Calendars

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (joost witteveen) wrote on 22.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Posix time includes leap-year-days, but does not include the finer > > > resolution of leap-seconds. 21 leap-seconds (number 22 is coming up) > > > have been added since New Years Day 1970 to keep clock time in sy

Re: Calendars

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yukhimets) wrote on 22.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'd expect that to be a problem for people in both parts of Jerusalem, for > > example. > > > > I am very sorry but I just don't think that debian-devel is a proper place > to share the (mis)understanding of the loca

Re: Debian-Policy Manual

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Francesco Tapparo) wrote on 22.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Jun 22, Kai Henningsen wrote > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Hudon) wrote on 21.06.97 in > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Newbies should *not* be dumped into vi by default. It's just too > > > user-hostile. >

Re: Calendars

1997-06-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) wrote on 22.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) > > Not everyone switched in 1752. > > This is Pope Gregory's calendar reform, isn't it? I think it goes back a > century or more before 1752. > > > Actually, it probably was a ba

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > "objections" this times. If you can't live with this proposal, you'll have > > to present another formulation of a paragraph or of the whole text. > > > > [ ... ] > > > > /usr/doc//html-info

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Christian Schwarz
Hi! Christoph, please tell us why using "fixhrefgz" on "html.gz" files does not work with our web servers. As far as I have understood, these web servers are so intelligent that if a file "foo.html" is referenced, but only "foo.html.gz" is found, they uncompress the file on-the-fly and pass the

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> * GNU Info has an awkward interface and is difficult to John> search. It is also nearly impossible to print an entire John> manual from the files in the info directory. Difficult to search? Did you read its help page at

Re: Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> Jim Pick writes: Jim> dwww is meant to integrate the existing documentation Jim> formats for convenience, but not replace all of them. Jim> 2) All the documentation should be viewable via HTML if dwww Jim> is installed - but it shouldn't be necessary to have HTML Jim

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Mark Eichin writes: > > > The situation looks completely different if the server has its own > > package, like `msqld' for the server and `msql' for the client. > > Not really -- the user should still be prompted (or have some control > over it) because the daemon package probably contains the >

auto compiling

1997-06-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
hy. here are my auto compiling script. there is a bit more management in it, and i seperated the whole thing in two scripts (the basic idea was, that they could run on seperated machine, or the build script could run in a chroot environment for security...). i only tried to compile my own package

Q/A group: please consider makedev and isdnutils for 1.3.x

1997-06-28 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
i have uploaded a new isdnutils and a new makedev. makedev: changed /dev/console and /dev/tty0 policy (maybe it should go into stable. but xserver* can also fix this bug with old makedev). isdnutils: beta1 release of the new isdnutils. there are worlds between the old 2.0 releas

Re: Looking for help. . .

1997-06-28 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Cory" == Cory Hafele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Cory> I'm willing to format the whole drive if need be. That's the right idea. :-) Unless you really need windows for business or something, the best thing to do is just install Linux, and tell `fdisk' (the Linux one) to just turn it i

Re: Bug#10902: Device driver 3c59x hangs

1997-06-28 Thread Herbert Xu
Mark Burgess wrote: > > Hello. I am grief stricken because I cannot get debian running > on my new PC which has a 3 com 905 XL netcard. As I understand > it the correct driver for this card is the module 3c59x. > This is the only driver which will install. > > INstallation proceeds fine, and ifco

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Schwarz writes: > > > The situation looks completely different if the server has its own > > > package, like `msqld' for the server and `msql' for the client. > > > > Not really -- the user should still be prompted (or have some control > > over it) because the daemon package probably c

Re: RfD: Debian is not randomly installing services

1997-06-28 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 27 Jun 1997, Mark Eichin wrote: > > > The situation looks completely different if the server has its own > > package, like `msqld' for the server and `msql' for the client. > > Not really -- the user should still be prompted (or have some control > over it) because the daemon package probably

Re: dc and bc in Important?

1997-06-28 Thread Carey Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik B. Andersen) writes: [snip] > For most math, expr works just fine. Of course, expr is limited > to integer math, but it works and is portable. Actually, for integer math, bash or ksh works quite well. bash$ a=41 bash$ let a+=1 bash$ echo $a 42 -- Carey

Looking for help. . .

1997-06-28 Thread Cory Hafele
I've recently subscribed to a couple of your mailing lists to find out more about Linux. I have average to above "average" knowledge of the computer using DOS, and windows95. I'm going to be installing Linux on my hard drive using Partition Magic. I've visited several sites that offer Linux, and

Re: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> I am really irritated by such insistence on a view "my box at home" and > nothing > else matters. We are not all just hacking for fun at home. Some people > actually > make their living with the stuff. > I completely agree with you. But this is just some kind of a Debian "sickness" not to thi

Re: End of Documentation Discussion

1997-06-28 Thread John Goerzen
Richard Kaszeta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A good format, but the problem here is that the LinuxDoc/SGML source > isn't very useful by itself, it has to be converted to another source > to be useful. I don't see a big problem with that because, as I said, the conversion programs are small and

Re: Policy wrt Important (was Re: dc and bc in Important?)

1997-06-28 Thread John Goerzen
Who said anything about "working"? Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * gcc should be in Important because everybody expects a C compiler > > Maybe they expect it, but these days, they don't *get* one... none of > solaris, hpux, irix ship with a [working] C compiler... > -- John G

Documentation stuff

1997-06-28 Thread Jim Pick
Hi! Sorry for being absent from most of the conversation, and not getting my latest release of dwww out... - I was working in Vancouver last week, came back, got sick, one of my main modems burnt out (lightning?), I replaced it, upgraded my server, messed up PPP, didn't configure the modem corr

Re: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
: I don't get it -- why would we care if gzip is anywhere *other* than : the debian base system? It's not like there's any way (yet) to : install/extract these packages on a mac, though you can sort of hack : them open on a win32 box. We're concerned with users who *have : actually installed debi

Re: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Eichin
> : Don't worry: gzip is part of the base system. > Your word needs to be in Microsoft's and Apple's ear. I don't get it -- why would we care if gzip is anywhere *other* than the debian base system? It's not like there's any way (yet) to install/extract these packages on a mac, though you can s

Re: debmake

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Eichin
> Apparently, > the case got taken to court and FreeBSD won against the gov't. I've heard no evidence of this (and would find it *very* unlikely.) In fact, the FreeBSD web pages still tell people to go to sites in South Africa, Brazil, or Finland for the "eBones" and "secure" packages... Even bet

Re: How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Christoph> You want me to run around Campus installing gzip on 300 machines : Christoph> because those users are not able to? : Don't worry: gzip is part of the base system. Your word needs to be in Microsoft's and Apple's ear. : Why don't we tes

Re: XFree86 build info

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Eichin
> 1. Does debian include any additional drivers on top of the > standard XFree source? Nope -- you can look at the xfree86_3.3-3.diff.gz and see *exactly* what changes we've made, but they're mostly configuration. > 2. Does anyone know of similar development work elsewhere? > I've contacted Xfre

How about e2compr? Was: fixhrefgz debate

1997-06-28 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Christoph> You want me to run around Campus installing gzip on 300 machines Christoph> because those users are not able to? Don't worry: gzip is part of the base system. Why don't we test e2compr better? Or zlib-compressed filesystem? That way we can have the cake (docs are compressed) and

Re: debmake

1997-06-28 Thread SirDibos
I couldnt help but notice that there are no Canadian or even American (South or Central) mirrors of debian with the non-us category. I have been offered a T1 connect, but dont have any hardware. If someone has a spare machine capable of running linux, I can provide a Canadian mirror. We dont ha

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
: (Anyeay, even fast machines may be unable to run a web server, : if they need to be secure. Running extra daemons is insecure.) Running a web-broser on the machine may also be insecure. If you run a 8Meg binary on the machine anyways what an issue could 150K for a webserver be? : > The big issu

Re: "Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-28 Thread SirDibos
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, Graham C. Hughes wrote: > trying to package scsh. If a walkthrough was available, I'd certainly > appreciate it, and it would allow me to package the thing in a reasonable > amount of time. Yeah, and if you give him a walk through, please forward it to me too, because Ive

Re: "Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-28 Thread Graham C. Hughes
> Someone please package this - I need my time for other stuff. I'd volunteer *right now*, but I don't understand the package building system yet; I've used deb-make and occasionally gotten tripped up by it trying to package scsh. If a walkthrough was available, I'd certainly appreciate it, a

problems compiling plan under libc6

1997-06-28 Thread Colin R. Telmer
I really don't program in C, so I have no idea if this is something easy to figure out or needs a great amount of reworking. Anyway, given that debian will require all packages to be compiled with libc6 in the near future, I thought I would see if this is fixable. The error message from gcc is:

Re: Re^2: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> MB> Why should we ship info files? HTML is better format. The most > MB> system will use HTML as their help system in the future. KDE for > MB> example uses HTML. > > The Info format is a lot better, tecnically, than HTML. That's what > I've heard. Maybe the problem is that there is no Info brow

Re: problems compiling plan under libc6

1997-06-28 Thread Helmut Geyer
Your problem is quite easy to solve: libc5 was not really POSIX-compliant even when _POSIX_SOURCE was defined. S_IFDIR is the macro used by BSD and SVID while POSIX uses __S_IFDIR. If you define _BSD_SOURCE, _SVID_SOURCE or _GNU_SOURCE instead of _POSIX_SOURCE (or simply change the macro to include

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread joost witteveen
> > Well, if we do this, we need to make sure to handle the case where > > people do something like: > > > > chown -R 755 debian/tmp/usr/bin > > chown g+s debian/tmp/usr/bin/special-binary > > > > i.e. later commands would have to override previous ones. (probably > > obvious, but I just wan

"Amulet" GUI toolkit

1997-06-28 Thread Bruce Perens

Re: dc and bc in Important?

1997-06-28 Thread Raul Miller

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread Roman Hodek

Re: Bad Maintainer Addresses

1997-06-28 Thread Raul Miller

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread joost witteveen
> On Jun 25, joost witteveen wrote > > The only problem with this is that if there are setuid binaries involved > > in the debian/rules binary process, they will not use the LD_PRELOAD > > stuff, and things may go wrong. (But as long as those binaries are > > setuid root, they wouldn't need the lib

Re: Policy wrt Important (was Re: dc and bc in Important?)

1997-06-28 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Bill Mitchell, you wrote: > > > > On 25 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: > > > By the current definition of Important: > >[...] > >sendmail > > * dpkg-dev should not be there since no experienced user of another > >Unix would expect it > > * lilo should not be there

Re: Policy wrt Important (was Re: dc and bc in Important?)

1997-06-28 Thread Bill Mitchell
On 25 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote: > By the current definition of Important: >[...] >sendmail > * dpkg-dev should not be there since no experienced user of another >Unix would expect it > * lilo should not be there because lilo is not part of UNIX I read it differently: ``Importan

Re: MD5, SHA-1, RIPEMD, etc.

1997-06-28 Thread Colin Plumb
Thomas Koenig wrote: > Using the reference you provided, I got around three Megabytes/ CPU > second on a P133 with RIPEMD-160 (using pgcc -O6, I confess :-) How > fast is SHA-1 in comprarison? The RIPEMD folks have been carefully tweaking Pentium hashing times. A speed chart is available at http:

Re: dc and bc in Important?

1997-06-28 Thread David Frey
On Wed, Jun 25 1997 8:35 PDT Bill Mitchell writes: > On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote: > > Correlated note: It is not explicitely stated in the policy manual, but > > IMO we should flag all utilities mentioned in the POSIX.2 standard as > > 'Important' [...] > > IMHO, as long as t

why are shared libs chmod +x? (again)

1997-06-28 Thread David Frey
On Sun, Jun 1 1997 21:24 +0200 Christian Schwarz writes: > Can someone tell me why shared libs should be installed executable? > (Actually, Christoph Lameter wants to know this, cf. #7129, but since I > don't know this either I'll redirect the question to this list.) > > This is current

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Joey Hess wrote: > I haven't been following this thread closely (catching up on mail backlog > after vacation), but the reason I've heard why it's not acceptable to ship > only info files and convert to html on the fly is because the converter in > dwww that does this produces

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 23.06.97 schrieb schwarz # monet.m.isar.de ... Moin Christian! CS> Option 3: We ship .texi files and produce HTML and/or info files on CS> demand (in the postinst script). Oh no. That's a very bad idea. All converters like latex2html, sgml-tools, texi2html produce not very per

Re^6: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Marco Budde
Am 23.06.97 schrieb pdm # informatics.muni.cz ... Moin Milan! MZ> - It's non-free. That's a real problem. MZ> - It's big. But not bigger than xemacs! MZ> - It can't run on text console. But lynx can. MZ> - Limited possibilities of handling gzip files (typing xxx.html MZ> doesn't find xxx.

Re: fixhrefgz - tool for converting anchors to gzipped files

1997-06-28 Thread Christoph Lameter
: Christoph Lameter: : > Web browsers are small. Dont think instantly of Apache. : I assume you meant web servers. They may be small, but they : make things slow. Unacceptably slow, unless you have a fast : machine. 200Mhz Pentiums are the standard fare today. And I am running the boa webserver f

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Philip Hands
> Philip Hands writes: > > There is of course a problem with trying to install all the > > documentation on a machine, since some conflicting packages > > provide man pages with overlapping names. > > I think that the 'alternative' mechanism could be used there. I was thinking about the possibili

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philip> I was thinking about the possibility of offereing _all_ Debian Philip> documentation on a web site --- which lpr(1) man page would Philip> you want to show? lpr's or lprng's? Philip> Perhaps man pages should really go in Philip>

PGP -kc forgets a key, has corrupt output?

1997-06-28 Thread branden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I am reposting this from comp.security.pgp.tech, where my plea was met only with stony silence. Can someone here help? (Lars, do you know anything about this?) I have read the pgp manpage and pgpdoc[12].txt files in their entirety, and cannot figure out what t

Re: Re^6: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-28 Thread branden
On 25 Jun 1997, Marco Budde wrote: > Am 23.06.97 schrieb pdm # informatics.muni.cz ... > > MZ> - Limited possibilities of handling gzip files (typing xxx.html > MZ> doesn't find xxx.html.gz) => problems with links (may be solvable by > > Right, but typing xxx.html.gz will work! We can write a

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread branden
On 25 Jun 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Philip" == Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Philip> I was thinking about the possibility of offereing _all_ Debian > Philip> documentation on a web site --- which lpr(1) man page would > Philip> you want to show? lpr's or lprng's? > > Phi

Re: Documentation Policy

1997-06-28 Thread Fernando
Marco Budde wrote: > > CS> Option 3: We ship .texi files and produce HTML and/or info files on > CS> demand (in the postinst script). > > Oh no. That's a very bad idea. All converters like latex2html, sgml-tools, > texi2html produce not very perfect HTML code. You've to edit the H

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, joost witteveen wrote: > > Build a shared library which wraps all calls to chown(), then set > > LD_PRELOAD to that library. Should be pretty foolproof. > Yeah, I like that: wrap chown (and friends) _and_ stat(): then > the install, chown, etc stuff in the debian/rules will g

Re: Experiences with compiling Debian

1997-06-28 Thread Rob Browning
Nicolás Lichtmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Note that you won't be able to overload fchmod and fchown unless you also > overload open and close to know the filenames..! > > IMO we should go with the simplest solution: {chmod,chown}.sh and modify > the packages. Well, if we do this, we need

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