Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-03 Thread Ervin Dine
In an ideal world the ideal system runs well. But in a not so ideal world you need the non-free firmware at times. I like the FSF but I and many people probably are not going to throw away our computers for the sake of an important missing firmware. Debian offers both options, completely free

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-03 Thread Onsemeliot
I don't really know why this is discussed here but I will add my two cents to it also because it is. I stuck with Debian even if the FSF (which I am a supporter of) doesn't endorse it for the reason that it provides non-free options on its servers. The important thing for me is that Debian stays f

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-02 Thread Ervin Dine
Ok if I can also give my opinion on this. I think the distinction should remain as it is. However the installer would be more practical if it gives the option to enable non-free and contrib repositories during installation and not after so that people can get a complete system without having t

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-02 Thread Rick Thomas
I'm not in the group that's allowed to vote on this, but I do feel compelled to comment, non-the-less. I respect (and approve of) the fact that Debian makes a distinction between "free" and "non-free" software, and encourages people to -- when possible -- use only free software. I think it's a

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-01 Thread Luna Jernberg
https://linuxactionnews.com/256 On 9/1/22, Luna Jernberg wrote: > https://youtu.be/csdtAcf5ZMs > > On 8/31/22, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> >>> Can you elaborate on how you support including non-free firmware in the >>> installer *and* find the quoted paragraphs in conflic

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-01 Thread Luna Jernberg
i vote for Proposal B On 9/1/22, Luna Jernberg wrote: > https://youtu.be/csdtAcf5ZMs > > On 8/31/22, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> >>> Can you elaborate on how you support including non-free firmware in the >>> installer *and* find the quoted paragraphs in conflict? >> >> I

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-01 Thread Luna Jernberg
https://youtu.be/csdtAcf5ZMs On 8/31/22, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > >> Can you elaborate on how you support including non-free firmware in the >> installer *and* find the quoted paragraphs in conflict? > > I believe our Social Contract ideally should change. I would not wa