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> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 07:23:17PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >...
> > I also have to insist that GNOME 3.10+ *needs* a working logind even for
> > basic functionality,
> >...
>
> Can you elaborate on where exactly upstream GNOME 3.10 has a hard
> dependency on logind, and no alternat
On Sun, 2014-01-19 at 19:44 +, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> On 19/01/14 19:37, Svante Signell wrote:
> > I tried to reopen bug #727708 but failed
>
> Was that a typo? That's the bug number of the Debian tech-ctte bug.
Yes, bug number is 724731, sorry.
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I think you made a c-p typo, see below:
> That will leave us voting on (most likely):
>Dsystemd default in jessie, say nothing about multiple inits
>DM systemd default in jessie, support multiple inits
>Usystemd default in jessie, say nothing about multiple inits
> ^u
Who wrote the parts of sysvinit+openrc and sysvinit+insserv? Maybe that
person should modify some of the faulty information for these cases.
Some points:
sysvinit+insserv/openrc:
D-Bus interfaces: Why are they needed, nothing of this is defined by
POSIX? And dbus is already heavily depending on s
To CTTE,
In the wait for your decision next week, many of us assume that you take
into consideration the many misleading and false statements that have
been written about about sysvinit + openrc/insserv.
Additionally, consider this, please:
Adopting systemd (and gnome, dbus->kdbus, wayland, etc d
Hi,
Following this bug report for several months now this is really becoming
a farce. Who is in charge calling for votes, and why don't you have a
closed voting procedure?
Of course the people voting later has a advantage against the others.
Have you ever heard of game theory? This is like schedu
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> Anthony Towns writes:
>
> > A.6.6: Schwartz set is {D,U}
> > A.6.8: There are no defeats in the Schwartz set, so the elector with
> >the casting vote chooses which of these options wins.
> >
> > Per 6.3.2, the casting vote is held by the Chairman, who is currentl
> * Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [140212 19:00]:
> > Packages should normally support the default Linux init system. There
>
> I would drop the word "Linux" here - Packages should support our
> default init systems.
If you do that then you have killed all non-linux architectures, is
that i
> On 2014-02-14 15:46:18 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Ansgar Burchardt writes ("Bug#727708: init system coupling etc."):
> > > Don't you mean "drop GNOME, KDE and others"? It's not only GNOME that
> > > plans to depend on logind...
> >
> > logind is a red herring because AIUI we already have a te
> > Debian is digging their own grave with respect to Free Software (not
> > FOSS or FOS), why don't you align with M$soft, Apple or especially
> > RedHat :( Debian will just be a memory in a few years, RedHat will be
> > the solution for everybody (TM).
>
> Please take this sort of thing to some
On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 08:32 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 22/05/14 at 10:14 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 03:56:26PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > We have had some discussion about this. No-one seems to have objected
> > > to the suggestion that the DPL, rather tha
On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 09:52 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 23/05/14 at 09:42 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Fri, 2014-05-23 at 08:32 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > >
> > The solution is simple: Have an odd number of members in the TC. Then no
> > casting
Package: tech-ctte
Severity: Important
When upgrading an old system installing certain packages, like
network-manager and gdm3 systemd-sysv is installed changing the init
system. These packages depend on libpam-systemd, which depends on
systemd-sysv | systemd-shim. If systemd-shim is not installed
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 13:51 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie.
>
> So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not
> switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it
> possible to draw a con
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 03:10 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:29:42PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote:
> > I would like to propose a different one.
> [...]
> >
> > So, the change would be that: the sysvinit package would cease being a
> > transition / shim package, however it wo
On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 13:55 -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
> > Do people use the usb stick/cd/dvd etc for upgrades to jessie, i.e. the
> > debian installer. Or do they only use apt/aptitude/etc?
>
> I don't know that we can speak in absolut
Hello,
Below is a proposal for a (partial) solution for the upgrade problem of
keeping the installed init system:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765803
This has been discussed privately among selected users/DM/DDs and since
the deadline for the ctte is December 4, it has to be
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 2) In case you missed doing the above, you get a debconf prompt when
>
> No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
>
> Again: aborting the dist-upgrade in the debconf of one
&g
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
> Does that work,
> anyway (i.e. does installing systemd and immediately
> reverting to sysvinit leave the system net unchanged,
> modulo the dependencies it pulls in (see plane
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 14:46 +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > 1) Heavily advertise (release-notes?) that doing an upgrade from
> > wheezy/etc to jessie will give you systemd as init system and inform
>
Hello,
In the (last) hope that the CTTE will bring this issue on the agenda
next meeting on December 4. Additional information below and a short
summary.
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 09:56 +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > (another partial? so
One claim is changed, see below.
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hello,
> In summary:
> a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> kept.
> b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> message
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:14 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > One claim is changed, see below.
> >
> > On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Hello,
> >
> > > In s
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:19 +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:40 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > This is another nail in the Universal OS coffin: Let's move to devuan,
> > please!
>
> You are of course free to do that. This discussion is abo
On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are
> > going to
> > have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to
> > systemd,
> > then we should take appr
On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hello,
> In summary:
> a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> kept.
> b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> message about alternative init systems.
Hello,
Looking at the IRC log
http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/debian-ctte.git/tree/meetings/20141204/debian-ctte.2014-12-04-18.00.log.txt
lines 197 to 280 reveals the plan.
Conclusion: quoting Steve Langasek: "we recommend/support
systemd being the default init system for upgrades as
On Sun, 2018-12-02 at 21:04 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> The next debhelper change might choose to give / instead of /usr as a
> target directory by default, moving hundreds of megabytes from /usr to /
> over time.
This solution was proposed by GNU/Hurd several years ago, and was scrapped due
to
On Tue, 2018-12-04 at 21:58 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>
> If we keep merged-/usr as default then we can /recommend/ people to
> install usrmerge to switch to merged-/usr; reducing the difference
> between newly-installed and existing setups is a good idea IMHO. I
> think I filed a report for
On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 11:01 -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
>
> Strikes me as there is a possible solution, though: have opensysusers
> dpkg-divert it and put a shell script in its place that checks which
> init system is running, and exec's the right sysusers based on that.
It is as simple as
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On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 11:01 -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
>
> Strikes me as there is a possible solution, though: have opensysusers
> dpkg-divert it and put a shell script in its place that checks which
> init system is running, and exec's the right sysusers based on t
On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 16:49 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> We'd first have to agree that an alternative is actually _needed_.
> And so far,
> the only arguments I have read in favour of providing alternatives to
> /bin/systemd-sysusers are:
> * A) it is shipped in the systemd binary package
On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 12:24 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> It's not like having two competing implementations causes much
> harm here.we technically _can_ allow any /bin/systemd-* to be
> provided by another implementation, that we should (actually, I think
> we should clearly _not_).
Of course the
On Wed, 2020-01-29 at 12:23 -0800, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Simon McVittie wrote:
> > I think we have a fairly good picture of the costs that would be
> > incurred from using alternatives:
>
> Plus in the case of opentmpfiles; a pile of security issues: systemd-
> tmpfiles addresses a number of
On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> [...]
> > What I am asking for is a schedule change: specifically, that the
> > merged /usr transition not be allowed to proceed past the status
> > quo as of two weeks ago (i.e. *before* init-system-h
Hi,
I would really appreciate if you quote your reply properly:
It was not Andreas Metzler who sent the below:
> On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> > [...]
On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 11:55 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > > This nu
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