Hi all,
On 06.12.2016 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote:
> [The screen shot Holger linked to is a screen shot of the installer at
> the tasksel screen showing an entry for "Debian Blends" followed by a
> series of entries which start with leading periods followed by entries
> like "HamRadio" and "DebiChe
Hi Holger,
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 08:07:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> control: reassign -1 tech-ctte
> control: retitle -1 blends-tasks must not be priority:important
> thanks
>
> On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:43:18AM -0600, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > if either of you disagree (or anyone else on
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> * Holger does not like the look of presenting tasks as they
> where half a year ago.
wrong.
> * The conflict with policy seems artificial to me
wrong.
> and I have the
> bad feeling Holger intends to hire people advoc
Sam Hartman writes:
> So, what impact does having blends-tasks have besides wasting disk
> space.
> It adds tasks to the installer menu. Are those tasks we want on all
> system installs or not?
> If this is purely about disk space, I think it's less of an issue than
> if it provides a bad user e
Thanks, Phil.
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 10:18:23AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> It makes the "what do you want to install?" menu slightly worse by
> introducing some more befuddling options to it. It was already dire
> though.
exactly.
> Before this…
[...]
> So, this was already a disaster area
On 06.12.2016 10:18, Philip Hands wrote:
> it also buries the 'standard system utilities' item in the middle of
> the list, where it makes even less sense than it did at the end.
The positions of the items can be changed by assigning a "Relevance"
(one digit) to them. So, if the "Standard" task sh
On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
> half a year ago.
The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single
complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last six months.
This is at least *some
Ole Streicher writes:
> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
>> half a year ago.
>
> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single
> complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last s
On 06.12.2016 12:02, Philip Hands wrote:
> Ole Streicher writes:
>
>> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
>>> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
>>> half a year ago.
>>
>> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single
>> complaint o
With my Debian Printing Team member hat:
Le mardi, 6 décembre 2016, 10.18:23 h CET Philip Hands a écrit :
> What is a print server? (CUPS) web server? (apache2)
The "print server" entry in tasksel should be rethought, as it nowadays only
depends on CUPS, and recommends various helper drivers &
Hi,
IMHO the whole discussion is mixing up two things:
1. If it is correct that blends-tasks has priority 'important'
or not.
2. If the user visible presentation of Blends selection is
good or not.
Regarding 1. we have the following quotes:
From: Holger Levsen
Date: Mon, 5 Dec
[ Sorry for breaking the thread but despite I've subscribed the bug
I need to read it in the browser since I do not receive the mails :-(]
Hi Philip,
On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 12:02:05 +0100 Philip Hands wrote:
> There is no need for them to tick the 'Special tasks' menu item in order
> to install an
Philip Hands writes:
> So, I'd say that the whole thing was a car-crash anyway, and this just
> dropped a cigarette in the spilling petrol.
Yeah. I'm not immediately sure to suggest as a way to do things
differently, and this may not seem immediately helpful... but about the
first piece of advi
For what it's worth, I think the policy question here is not a
significant one.
Holger is right that we should either fix policy or fix both
(tasksel-data and blends-tasks).
I think that is a bug that should get hashed out. I don't think it is
all that timely, and I don't think it matters much ho
]] Ole Streicher
> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
> > half a year ago.
>
> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single
> complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last six
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 05:04:57PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>]] Ole Streicher
>
>> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> > And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
>> > half a year ago.
>>
>> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a s
Hi Sam,
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 10:28:46AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> For what it's worth, I think the policy question here is not a
> significant one.
>
> Holger is right that we should either fix policy or fix both
> (tasksel-data and blends-tasks).
> I think that is a bug that should get hash
Hi Bdale,
On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:10:37 -0700 Bdale Garbee wrote:
> the first piece of advice I give most new-to-Debian users I'm helping out
> personally is to just ignore the concept of tasks and pick software they
> actually want on their system.
To solve this very problem we actually invented
]] Steve McIntyre
> etc. I've pondered about how to do achieve that with the existing
> debconf code, but not got very far yet. Including more descriptive
> text and maybe even screen shots with each would be very helpful.
Debconf has support for pluggable UI widgets, so somebody could do this
w
Andreas Tille writes:
> Hi Bdale,
>
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:10:37 -0700 Bdale Garbee wrote:
>> the first piece of advice I give most new-to-Debian users I'm helping out
>> personally is to just ignore the concept of tasks and pick software they
>> actually want on their system.
>
> To solve this
Hello.
I create new projekt:
krehel.sk - Page to inform about new version of software.
More see on: http://www.krehel.sk
That can maybe good for You.
Dušan
Hi Tollef,
On 06.12.2016 17:04, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Ole Streicher
>
>> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
>>> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was
>>> half a year ago.
>>
>> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single
>> c
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