Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Ole Streicher
Hi all, On 06.12.2016 00:29, Don Armstrong wrote: > [The screen shot Holger linked to is a screen shot of the installer at > the tasksel screen showing an entry for "Debian Blends" followed by a > series of entries which start with leading periods followed by entries > like "HamRadio" and "DebiChe

Re: Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Holger, On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 08:07:19PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > control: reassign -1 tech-ctte > control: retitle -1 blends-tasks must not be priority:important > thanks > > On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 09:43:18AM -0600, Don Armstrong wrote: > > if either of you disagree (or anyone else on

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > * Holger does not like the look of presenting tasks as they > where half a year ago. wrong. > * The conflict with policy seems artificial to me wrong. > and I have the > bad feeling Holger intends to hire people advoc

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Philip Hands
Sam Hartman writes: > So, what impact does having blends-tasks have besides wasting disk > space. > It adds tasks to the installer menu. Are those tasks we want on all > system installs or not? > If this is purely about disk space, I think it's less of an issue than > if it provides a bad user e

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Holger Levsen
Thanks, Phil. On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 10:18:23AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > It makes the "what do you want to install?" menu slightly worse by > introducing some more befuddling options to it. It was already dire > though. exactly. > Before this… [...] > So, this was already a disaster area

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important

2016-12-06 Thread Ole Streicher
On 06.12.2016 10:18, Philip Hands wrote: > it also buries the 'standard system utilities' item in the middle of > the list, where it makes even less sense than it did at the end. The positions of the items can be changed by assigning a "Relevance" (one digit) to them. So, if the "Standard" task sh

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Ole Streicher
On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: > And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was > half a year ago. The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last six months. This is at least *some

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Philip Hands
Ole Streicher writes: > On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: >> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was >> half a year ago. > > The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single > complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last s

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Ole Streicher
On 06.12.2016 12:02, Philip Hands wrote: > Ole Streicher writes: > >> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was >>> half a year ago. >> >> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single >> complaint o

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
With my Debian Printing Team member hat: Le mardi, 6 décembre 2016, 10.18:23 h CET Philip Hands a écrit : > What is a print server? (CUPS) web server? (apache2) The "print server" entry in tasksel should be rethought, as it nowadays only depends on CUPS, and recommends various helper drivers &

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, IMHO the whole discussion is mixing up two things: 1. If it is correct that blends-tasks has priority 'important' or not. 2. If the user visible presentation of Blends selection is good or not. Regarding 1. we have the following quotes: From: Holger Levsen Date: Mon, 5 Dec

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
[ Sorry for breaking the thread but despite I've subscribed the bug I need to read it in the browser since I do not receive the mails :-(] Hi Philip, On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 12:02:05 +0100 Philip Hands wrote: > There is no need for them to tick the 'Special tasks' menu item in order > to install an

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Bdale Garbee
Philip Hands writes: > So, I'd say that the whole thing was a car-crash anyway, and this just > dropped a cigarette in the spilling petrol. Yeah. I'm not immediately sure to suggest as a way to do things differently, and this may not seem immediately helpful... but about the first piece of advi

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Sam Hartman
For what it's worth, I think the policy question here is not a significant one. Holger is right that we should either fix policy or fix both (tasksel-data and blends-tasks). I think that is a bug that should get hashed out. I don't think it is all that timely, and I don't think it matters much ho

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ole Streicher > On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: > > And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was > > half a year ago. > > The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single > complaint or confusion documented in the web within the last six

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 05:04:57PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >]] Ole Streicher > >> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: >> > And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was >> > half a year ago. >> >> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a s

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Sam, On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 10:28:46AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > For what it's worth, I think the policy question here is not a > significant one. > > Holger is right that we should either fix policy or fix both > (tasksel-data and blends-tasks). > I think that is a bug that should get hash

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Bdale, On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:10:37 -0700 Bdale Garbee wrote: > the first piece of advice I give most new-to-Debian users I'm helping out > personally is to just ignore the concept of tasks and pick software they > actually want on their system. To solve this very problem we actually invented

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Steve McIntyre > etc. I've pondered about how to do achieve that with the existing > debconf code, but not got very far yet. Including more descriptive > text and maybe even screen shots with each would be very helpful. Debconf has support for pluggable UI widgets, so somebody could do this w

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Philip Hands
Andreas Tille writes: > Hi Bdale, > > On Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:10:37 -0700 Bdale Garbee wrote: >> the first piece of advice I give most new-to-Debian users I'm helping out >> personally is to just ignore the concept of tasks and pick software they >> actually want on their system. > > To solve this

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Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Ole Streicher
Hi Tollef, On 06.12.2016 17:04, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Ole Streicher > >> On 06.12.2016 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> And this *is* still pretty confusing, though admitly better than it was >>> half a year ago. >> >> The current implementation has a popcon of >5000, without a single >> c