Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Svante Signell
To CTTE, In the wait for your decision next week, many of us assume that you take into consideration the many misleading and false statements that have been written about about sysvinit + openrc/insserv. Additionally, consider this, please: Adopting systemd (and gnome, dbus->kdbus, wayland, etc d

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Josh Triplett writes ("Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal"): > How confident are you that the entire technical committee and the > community of people filing bugs in the future will share your > interpretation of that statement in the resolution, I'm c

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Keith Packard writes ("Re: Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > Ian, Bdale, Andy, Don and Russ agreed on IRC that this was a good > > ballot. Steve, Colin, Keith: let us know, and perhaps we can start > > the vote so

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Josh Triplett writes ("Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal"): > A couple of comments inline below. ... > There is an issue with this wording, which I don't think is intended. > Sometimes, the easiest way to maintain support for multiple init systems >

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-31 Thread Josh Triplett
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Josh Triplett wrote: > > Ian Jackson wrote: > > >Software outside of an init system's implementation may not require > > >a specific init system to be pid 1, although degraded operation is > > >tolerable. > > > > For instance, consider a gnome

Re: Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Bdale Garbee
Petr Baudis writes: > Would such a particular example of (greatly, but not fatally) degraded > operation fall within the intent of this proposal? I think so, yes. I do think forcing users who've made a conscious decision to live this way to click through a warning pop-up on each login is rath

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Keith Packard
Ian Jackson writes: > Ian, Bdale, Andy, Don and Russ agreed on IRC that this was a good > ballot. Steve, Colin, Keith: let us know, and perhaps we can start > the vote sooner. I can vote with this ballot. Sorry I had to disappear in the middle of the meeting; that all turned out for naught as t

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! Apologies for jumping into the discussion even though I'm not a Debian Developer. > == dependencies rider version L (Loose coupling) == > >This decision is limited to selecting a default initsystem; we >continue to welcome contributions of support for all init systems. > >So

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Josh Triplett wrote: > Ian Jackson wrote: > >Software outside of an init system's implementation may not require > >a specific init system to be pid 1, although degraded operation is > >tolerable. > > For instance, consider a gnome-session-systemd package which use

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Josh Triplett
A couple of comments inline below. Ian Jackson wrote: > == dependencies rider version T (Tight coupling) == > >This decision is limited to selecting a default initsystem; we >continue to welcome contributions of support for all init systems. > >Software may require a specific init sy

Bug#727708: init system resolution - revised proposal

2014-01-30 Thread Ian Jackson
We had a good drafting session on IRC. Here are the results. I hereby propose (and propose and do not accept amendments as necessary), so as to provide the following options: DT systemd default in jessie, requiring specific init is allowed DL systemd default in jessie, requiring specific