Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-04 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Michael Gilbert writes: > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: >> Michael Gilbert writes: >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: So all deferring for another cycle does is leave Debian with annoying cumbersome init scripts and unsolvable race condition

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-04 Thread Peter
Users "votes" so far are;- (out of a pop. of~ 151,000) systemd9473 upstart64 openrc5 http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=systemd http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=upstart http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=openrc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-r

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Michael Gilbert writes: >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> So all deferring for another cycle does is leave Debian with annoying >>> cumbersome init scripts and unsolvable race conditions for another cycle. >> >> Whic

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Michael Gilbert writes: > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: >> So all deferring for another cycle does is leave Debian with annoying >> cumbersome init scripts and unsolvable race conditions for another cycle. > > Which have already been solved for a long time now. No, they ha

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On 03/02/2014 14:17, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> Hence those TC members that don't want to see its default should be >> trying to figure out how to get 1 of the 4 to vote something else >> above systemd. > > Shouldn't the TC members focus on t

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > So all deferring for another cycle does is leave Debian with annoying > cumbersome init scripts and unsolvable race conditions for another cycle. Which have already been solved for a long time now. It's not like a bunch of new sysvinit bugs

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 09:17:33AM -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Finally, it is worth considering that there is very little chance for > upstart to win this particular vote. Given the 4:4 systemd:upstart > split and existing statements from the 4 on the systemd side, there is > very little chanc

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonathan Dowland writes ("Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie"): > On 03/02/2014 14:17, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Hence those TC members that don't want to see its default should be > > trying to figure out how to get 1 of the 4 to vote something else > >

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 03/02/2014 14:17, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Hence those TC members that don't want to see its default should be > trying to figure out how to get 1 of the 4 to vote something else > above systemd. Shouldn't the TC members focus on their own vote and leave the others to focus on theirs? Likewise,

Bug#727708: Vote sysvinit 4 jessie

2014-02-03 Thread Michael Gilbert
I'd like to make one last plea in support of sysvinit, since I see no compelling reason to rush to something else in time for jessie. Firstly, it is already much easier to use alternative init systems since the TC discussion really got going in December. init-select makes it super easy to swap be