Bug#727708: Init should be simple, secure, and get out of the way. It should not take over the system. We should not be forced to use one that does.

2014-02-03 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 19:11:52 -0500 (EST) Thilos Rich wrote: > Init should be simple, secure, and get out of the way. It should not take > over the system. We should not be forced to use an init that does. > > This man said it best: > wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-shi

Bug#727708: Abstract Init Scripts

2013-12-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic
I made an example script that could serve as a starting point for controlling all services. User/Admin can override functions from this script to make custom behavior and configure it in a config file. It probably doesn't work, but for now it's enough to read it because it's self-explaining and il

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-28 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:50:54 + Steven Chamberlain wrote: > The sysvinit page doesn't have a specific maintainer/advocate. It is a > collection of opinions from discussion on debian-devel@ and elsewhere. > Other camps have already responded to parts they don't agree with. > > Unless any volu

Bug#727708: sysvinit: moving the contents out of the Essential: yes package?

2013-11-27 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:42:43 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > With the above, it's easy to switch from one to the other. Well, that is > before the mess with the version-depends on sysv-rc introduced by the > debhelper thing for upstart, which messed-up a few things... I hope many > packages have be

Bug#727708: Arguments for tech-ctte (Was: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system)

2013-11-08 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:30:28 +0100 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 11/08/2013 02:54 PM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: > > Additional arguments in favor of sysvinit: > > > > * systemd and upstart lead to vendor lock-in; it will be complicated > > later to return bac

Bug#727708: Arguments for tech-ctte (Was: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system)

2013-11-08 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Additional arguments in favor of sysvinit: * systemd and upstart lead to vendor lock-in; it will be complicated later to return back or change to third option, as well to change from first to second option * I don't have a feeling that configuration can be very simpler than shell scripts; there a