On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 01:53 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
[...]
> While the ongoing
> costs of maintaining a full port were a consideration, of equal concern was
> the fact that we believed we would not be able to provide security support
> for the architecture as a whole at par with other architect
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:30:41AM +0100, Thomas Shuller wrote:
>Dear Debian CD Team,
>
>I have seen that the SHA512SUMS.sign File and the SHA512SUMS of the
>debian-10.7.0-amd64-DVD-*.iso give me a
>
>WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
>
>gpg: There is no indication that t
Ben Hutchings writes:
> I agree that kernel security support for i386 is seriously lacking.
> The Spectre mitigations were actually available for both x86
> architectures at the same time, but the initial Meltdown mitigation was
> amd64-specific and was not extended to i386 until Linux 4.19. Th
On Mon, 2020-12-14 at 10:02 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> One possible intermediate option shy of dropping the i386 architecture
> would be to drop the i386 kernel and instead help all i386 installs
> switch
> to the amd64 kernel while still running i386 binaries. (That said, this
> will obviously
Calum McConnell writes:
> As I showed in my (slightly over dramatic, very over-long) email this
> morning, there are more people with i386 kernels than there are total
> users of every other release architecture. Even if you only look at
> non-pae kernels, its still about double the total instal
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 01:22:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 01:53 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> [...]
> > While the ongoing
> > costs of maintaining a full port were a consideration, of equal concern was
> > the fact that we believed we would not be able to provide secur
Hi,
Quoting Russ Allbery (2020-12-14 23:54:37)
> > The point I'm making is that i386 processors are still incredibly common,
> > and we shouldn't abandon their users.
>
> Not abandoning users is a powerful motivating force, but it still has to
> succeed in motivating people. Debian can't make a
On Mon, 2020-12-14 at 14:54 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Calum McConnell writes:
> > The point I'm making is that i386 processors are still incredibly
> > common, and we shouldn't abandon their users.
>
> Not abandoning users is a powerful motivating force, but it still has to
> succeed in motiva
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 02:54:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> The quantity of hardware is useful data, but I think this is also a place
> where it's important to stress the specific problem that Debian has,
> namely that we need people to do the work.
>...
The list of Debian release architect
Calum McConnell writes:
> A very fair point, and quite equitably put. If I was remotely
> comfortable tweaking kernels, or used a 32 bit machine regularly, I
> would be more comfortable volunteering. As it is, I have only really
> learned to maintain packages in the past few months, and I feel
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:36 PM Adrian Bunk wrote:
> A bigger worry for i386 would be the availability of microcode updates
This is also a big problem for amd64, since only the newest
generations of Intel processors get BIOS/UEFI and or microcode
updates, so lots of amd64 users (including myself
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