forwarded 668932 http://ampache.org/bugs/task/225
forwarded 668936 http://ampache.org/bugs/task/226
thanks
Reported upstream, with patch.
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In default config after apt-get install:
Apr 16 10:49:19 media transmission-daemon: transmission-daemon Failed to
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Package: cups
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When using BrowsePoll to discover printers on a defined remote server, CUPS
uses a TCP connection,
which is fine but may in some cases break.
One scenario is a client going to sleep (in terms of ACPI).
Package: lynx
Version: 2.8.8dev.12-2
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This bug has existed - known to the developers - for 7 years now:
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/2005-11/msg00012.html
lynx advertises in its Accept-Encoding header sent to HTTP ser
Package: w3m
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This bug has existed - known to the developers - for 7 years now in lynx:
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/2005-11/msg00012.html
It also affects w3m.
w3m advertises in its Accept-Encoding
Package: alpine
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characters, like German umlauts.
A patch is available for alpine 2.01 that also works, as tested by me on i386
and
Package: ejabberd
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Some Mnesia tables are not upgraded when upgrading to the newest package
version.
Sometimes, upstream changes table schemas, as has happened with the pubsub
tables.
As a result, pubsub stops wor
Package: rsync
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rsync detects a part of the file is alread
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This is complete nonsense.
Although compression does not make much sense when copying local files, it
is a programs duty to do as the user desires. Simply ignoring a flag -
even with warning - despite the user explicitly providing it - is the
worst
Package: gnumeric
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"zz-application/zz-winassoc-xls"
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when stop() returns.
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the start() befor
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This is designat
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The old libpam-ldap package contains two ldap schema files that are very useful.
libpam-ldapd does not ship them.
It would be great if they could be included!
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The package should suggest php-auth as this is needed for using external
authentication
(like LDAP). It is not a dependency, though, but should be a pointer for users
that this
is wh
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When using Gajim with GPG and a smartcard, it chokes when receiving the CARDCTL
status.
This, and other, messages from the agent can simply be dropped as they are
irrelevant to Gajim
Exception in thr
I know. I still posted the patch just in case someone needs it now.
And to underline my worden: Please, maintainer, test before uploading!
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I have the following problem: For some hosts with that I do s2s, the connection
breaks in authoriation stage.
http://www.ejabberd.im/node/5348 suggests that this happens because use of the
regexp
retitle 670307 ejabberd: should depend on erlang-xmerl
severity 670307 important
thanks
Installing erlang-xmperl fixes the problem.
The dependency should be added, this bug is release critical as ejabberd
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Hi,
I invested some time and worked on a package, based on this Bug. You can
find the resulting packages compiled for Ubuntu Lucid (10.4) in my
Ubuntu-PPA at https://launchpad.net/~dominik-stadler/+archive/subversion-1.7,
packages for other versions of Ubuntu are in progress in my other PPAs.
I
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* Package name: ssb-sprom
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* URL : http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
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Hi,
I am taking care of packaging this as I am currently also packaging
ssb-sprom from the same source (#666527).
I am negotiating with the maintainer of b43-fwcutter about how to layout
all the packages derived from b43-tools.
As b43-fwcutter is pa
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I wonder why it's necessary to psot personal conflicts to Debian's BTS.
Please disreagrd what tg said as it is stupid. Obviously, grep -v'ing
command output isn't a reasonable solution and taking it seriously is
proof for an interesting state of mind.
Skype plugin resets my
display name
to natureshadow (my Skype handle) when it was Dominik George (full name) before.
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Hi Stefan,
like Arno and Sandro, I would love to participate in this project.
I have been running and deploying Apache installations for something
around 7 years now and also have some experience in Debian packaging,
mostly for local repositories but
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The 3.0-1.1 version of pdns-server does not work anymore when more than one
backend is enabled.
I used to run both the LDAP and the gmysql backends, with LDAP serving for
master zones and My
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The package includes cap_sasl.pl which needs the following Perl extensions:
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Crypt::DH
Crypt::Blowfish
perl and perl-modules also should be Depends, not Suggest
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Recently, some important menu options (like Open with…) and almost every
option in the Print dialog vanished into thin air.
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The Debian Maintainer Dashboard
(https://udd.debian.org/dmd/?nik%40naturalnet.de) has a column that
shows package versions on mentors, in big red letters, like an error.
If the version on mentors were newer,
ad will fix it).
Cheers,
Nik
[0]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=839266
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I have trouble using mosh together with screen and even a normal shell
because mosh does not handle control sequences correctly.
Two example:
Ctrl-A n for switching to the next screen inside
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Regards Dominik
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On Mon, 15 May 2017 18:40:34 -0300 Carlos Donizete Froes
wrote:
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> Owner: Carlos Donizete Froes
>
> * Package name: minecraft
> Version : 0.1
> Upstream Author : Carlos Donizete Froes
> * URL : https://minecraft.net
> * License
Package: lirc
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Same issue here.
lirc got installed as a dependency, and I really think it should not
cause such issues if it is.
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Hi,
also, did you have a look at
https://www.grahamedgecombe.com/projects/minecraft-installer to probably
exchange thoughts?
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I can confirm this issue.
I found a workaround by setting radeon.hard_reset=1, which resets the PCI bus
after loading the firmware. Both Audio and KMS work with this option set.
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 00:00:14 +0200 wzab wrote:
> Package: inkscape
> Version: 0.92.1-1
> Severity: normal
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> Dear Maintainer,
>
> When I export different objects into separate files (e.g. to create
> overlays for LaTeX prosper
> package), I get incorrect page size in created PDF files.
I can c
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> Ideas for Solutions
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> I think this will need coordination with the Valve packager to resolve this.
>
> 1. Maybe Valve could adopt the same package split as the Debian package.
> For Valve's purposes, they might not like having more than one package
> to distribute th
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sure if this is intended or not.
If this is a feature, it is a very stupid one in my eyes…
But, no matter what, pressing Enter also does not unlock the screen for
me. I cannot get it to do anything as long as the second monitor is
plugged in.
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It would be very helpful if Python 3.5 were available in jessie-backports.
Please consider uploading it there ☺!
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4. Turn the package into a MUT package.
5. Add gti upstream and build into the package.
What do you think?
Cheers,
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> Can you explain the motivating use-case please?
See https://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2017/02/msg00073.html .
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Package: opendmarc
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Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
At some point, OpenDMARC stopped honouring the Socket option in its
config file. This results in 127.0.0.1:12302 never being bound with the
configuration file attached.
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The /etc/defaults/opendmarc file has vanished, although it is still
referenced in README.Debian. The systemd service file also shows no
signs of ever r
at you are probably looking for is this:
http://serverfault.com/a/88449
HTH,
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Dear maintainers,
I would very much appreciate getting ejabberd 17.03-beta into experimental.
Thanks for considering,
Nik
IMHO not a bug in the package,
because by default, xrdp also uses RDP security and adding daemon users
to ssl-cert is a common and well-known practice.
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After configuring a basic setup with bind9-dyndb-ldap, I tried enabling
DNSSEC inline signing. It does seem to work, but only sporadically. Most
of the time, most zones fail to be signed
This might well be a bug in bind9 itself.
I do, however, have several BIND instances with the same inline signing
without dyndb-ldap working just fine.
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File: /usr/share/man/man1/lndir.1.gz
The lndir man page states that dleeting symlinks from the shadow copy is
a “painful problem”.
What about mentioning the cleanlinks tool instead?
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he list of
"Recent Servers" is populated again.
cp .config/nautilus/servers .config/gtk-3.0/servers
I was expecting the update to take care of this automatically.
Regards,
Dominik
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Package: mupdf
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Since the last update, MuPDF refuses to display (at least) PDFs created
with pdflatex and ghostscript.
It only outputs…
warning: gstate underflow in content
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xorgxrdp does not work with huge resolutions, like 1920x1080, which are
widely used nowadays.
The RDP10 standard therefore suggests using more rects when encoding the
display.
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with large tile sets, e.g. full HD displays. (Closes: #855387)
+
+ -- Dominik George Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:21:12 +0100
+
xrdp (0.9.1-6) unstable; urgency=medium
* Fix japanese keyboard detection. (Closes: #854847)
diff -Nru xrdp-0.9.1/debian/patches/highres.diff
xrdp-0.9.1/debian/patches
Thank you for your reply. Would you be so kind and help me to release
this package?
Dominik
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 23:25:19 +0800 Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Dominik Danelski wrote:
>
> > * URL : https://github.com/warszawskie-kroje/apropal
>
> I think th
ium
+
+ * Fix RFX with large tile sets, e.g. full HD displays. (Closes: #855387)
+
+ -- Dominik George Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:46:17 +0100
+
xrdp (0.9.1-6) unstable; urgency=medium
* Fix japanese keyboard detection. (Closes: #854847)
diff -Nru xrdp-0.9.1/debian/patches/highres.diff
xrdp-0.9.1/deb
jLDAP library that has been unmaintained for ages. Enabling that
in Debian will not happen unless upstream migrates guacamole to Apache
Directory or something.
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sddm only shows a white screen after starting. sddm.log remains empty.
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Upstream Author : Amorilia
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04-24 20:14:36.0 +0200
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+xrdp (0.9.1-8) unstable; urgency=medium
+
+ * Fix CVE-2017-6967. (Closes: #858143, #855536)
+
+ -- Dominik George Mon, 24 Apr 2017 20:14:36 +0200
+
xrdp (0.9.1-7) unstable; urgency=medium
* Fix RFX with large tile sets, e.g. full HD displays. (C
Control: tags -1 + wontfix
This is entirely normal, common to many Debian packages and basic knowledge for
a Debian administrator.
-nik
Hi,
> Python should raise a RuntimeError exception with a list as with a set.
It *does*, for a list.
But in Python 3, with [], you do not get a list, but an iterator with a
list-like API ;). It wraps a list which you add to, but __next__ will yield the
next item if there is one.
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ow, but 0.9.2 won't get a freeze exception.
Thanks,
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Package: logrotate
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I would like to make the following suggestion as change to the logrotate
cron job. We occasionally see logrotate errors at Teckids, but some that
are not reproducible and only occur once every few weeks. Unfortunately,
for some of them, log
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Please add a manual page for the sqldiff command.
Thanks!
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: #858143)
+
+ -- Dominik George Thu, 04 May 2017 18:59:10 +0200
+
xrdp (0.9.1-8) unstable; urgency=medium
* Fix CVE-2017-6967. (Closes: #858143, #855536)
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xrdp-0.9.1/debian/patches/cve-2017-6967.diff
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Dominik George
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* Package name: gpiozero
Version : 1.3.1
Upstream Author : Ben Nuttall
* URL : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gpiozero
* License : BSD
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allation process.
Kind regards
Dominik Reusser
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) unstable; urgency=medium
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+ * Ensure creation of /run directory. (Closes: #854548)
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+ -- Dominik George Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:47:36 +0100
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xrdp (0.9.1-4) unstable; urgency=high
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+xrdp (0.9.1-6) unstable; urgency=medium
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+ * Fix japanese keyboard detection. (Closes: #854847)
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+ -- Dominik George Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:09:43 +0100
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xrdp (0.9.1-5) unstable; urgency
Hi,
> Do you have any news for this last showstopper to upload the new version
> (at least I'd upload once this is fixed).
Well, at least I got hold of a client system fortesting by now.
Cheers,
Nik
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Package: kde-telepathy-text-ui
Version: 15.08.3-1
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When a new conversation comes in, a new chat window is opened. It
immediately steals the focus and sets it to the message input box.
Today was not the first time my sudo password ac
I think some related information is in the PTS:
https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/digikam.html
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Package: konsole
Version: 4:15.08.3-1
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Recently, Konsole started crashing when closing the last tab and exiting:
Application: konsole (konsole), signal: Segmentation fault
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libth
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Package: libguac-client-rdp0
Version: 0.8.3-1+b1
Severity: grave
Justification: renders package unusable
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libfreerdp1 changed its soname without renaming the package, which broke
the dependency.
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Hi,
I verified that re-building solves the problem.
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Package: xscreensaver
Version: 5.26-1
Followup-For: Bug #679973
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It would also help to just disable these screensavers in the default
config.
In any case, this is a serious security issue, as XScreenSaver is
installed aut
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Package: apper
Version: 0.9.2-2.1
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The UI of apper is close to unusable in Plasma 5.
The pacakge description area does not render and only show artifacts of
the window decorations, and the action dropdown in the package list
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Package: kded5
Version: 5.12.0-1
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I saw kded5 (and sometimes kdeinit) crash when editing a NetworkManager
connection. Just opening the edit dialog in any NetworkManger UI - even
in nmtui - makes kded or kdeinit segfault, reproducibly
Package: general
Severity: normal
The Debian installer images for jessie apparently do not have watchdog
support enabled in the kernel, so they do not send heartbeats to the
BIOS.
This results in the installer system aborting and the machine resetting
after five minutes, or whatever the BIOS sees
Control: reassign -1 breeze 4:5.3.2-4
Control: affects -1 + kwin-x11
Control: severity -1 grave
Oh, looking for a second time, it is not a duplicate at all.
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This is obviously bug #794061.
The question is whether a broken theme, should make kwin crash, so I am not
reassigning/marking this bug as duplicate.
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Package: kwin-x11
Version: 4:5.3.2-3
Severity: grave
File: /usr/bin/kwin_x11
Justification: renders package unusable
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kwin_x11 crashes the very moment the first application brings up a full,
decorated window withn the KDE session. The first time this
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