Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > I agree that it is not desirable for a petitioner to unconditionally > create substantial work for the TC. Perhaps we are talking at > cross-purposes still, because I don't think what I am suggesting would

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > > I agree that it is not desirable for a petitioner to unconditionally > > create substantial work for the TC. Perhaps we are talking at > &

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > I agree that it is not desirable for a petitioner to unconditionally > create substantial work for the TC. Perhaps we are talking at > cross-purposes still, because I don't think what I am suggesting would

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > Could not follow your message enough to read. I may get back to it > later when I have more spoons. Oh I am very sorry. Raphael reminds me that column-formatted ascii text is going to be difficult for you (and your s

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: Didier> Hi all, could we re-focus this discussion on what qualities Didier> the current Technical Committee Members want to find in new Didier> TC members, please? My current thinking based on the input we got from TC members is we might

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi all, could we re-focus this discussion on what qualities the current Technical Committee Members want to find in new TC members, please? I'm not saying that the "process about handling new requests to the TC" discussion is worthless to have, but it just feels like a hijack of that bug log.

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Sam Hartman
Could not follow your message enough to read. I may get back to it later when I have more spoons.

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): >>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: > Ian> I.e. that an incoming issue should, at least if the petitioner > Ian> requests, be subject to a quick vote on whether to preserve the > Ian>

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Sam Hartman
>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: Ian> Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): >> For what it's worth I don't support this sort of automated stuff. Ian> Um, I'm confused. I did not suggest what I

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > For what it's worth I don't support this sort of automated stuff. Um, I'm confused. I did not suggest what I would think of `automated stuff'. That is, I am not suggesting there should be a robot, or a

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Sam Hartman
>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Jackson writes: Ian> j...@joshtriplett.org writes ("Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:57:59AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > At that point, I'd see it more like overrule maintaine

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
j...@joshtriplett.org writes ("Bug#797533: New CTTE members"): > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:57:59AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > At that point, I'd see it more like overrule maintainer pending longer > > discussion. That would have been a much better answer to #76

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-10 Thread Sam Hartman
> "josh" == josh writes: josh> That's not a bad plan, actually. The three standard options josh> could be, in effect, "preliminary injunction against the josh> maintainer to avoid immediate harm, but we still need to talk josh> about this more", "dismissed as completely inap

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-10 Thread josh
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:57:59AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Josh" == Josh Triplett writes: > Josh> Assuming that the "often results in FD" holds true, and that > Josh> this doesn't encourage snap judgements, this seems like a very > Josh> good idea to me. > > I think that exc

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-10 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Josh" == Josh Triplett writes: Josh> Assuming that the "often results in FD" holds true, and that Josh> this doesn't encourage snap judgements, this seems like a very Josh> good idea to me. I think that except in very special circumstances coming to any decision other than FD

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Triplett
Anthony Towns wrote: > Having an immediate vote (that often results in FD) everytime a new ctte > bug gets filed seems like a plausible approach to ensure people get a > quick initial response from the ctte though? eg: > > Bug#776708 arrived two hours ago. Let's vote! > > Resolution: overrule

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-02 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 31 août 2015, 09.55:24 Sam Hartman a écrit : > I'd like to have a discussion about what we want from TC members > before we make a call for nominations. Absolutely; I only opened a bug to put the question on our table, but timing is clearly one aspect of the discussion surrounding the p

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-01 Thread Bdale Garbee
Don Armstrong writes: > I personally cannot reasonably dedicate more than an hour or two a week > to the CTTE, and I suspect that few people serving can either. 2 hours a week seems pretty consistent with what I think I've spent over the years. The initsystem debate was a complete anomaly, I do

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > I wonder if it would help to work from the other direction. What sort > of turn around time would we expect for bugs like the menu policy and > the aptitude maintainer issue? > > For an issue, someone has to put in a fair bit of leg work, going > through a

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Don" == Don Armstrong writes: Don> I think attendance at meetings as well as participation in Don> threads, drafting, and voting is a requirement. Don> I think that this amounts to between 1-6 hours a month of work; Don> hopefully towards the low end of that spectrum for a

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Sam Hartman wrote: > The biggest question I have is how much time do we expect TC members > to have available for the TC. > > i think we've been having a lot of trouble that seems like it has a > high probability of being related to insufficient bandwidth in TC > members. So, I

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Sam Hartman
I'd like to have a discussion about what we want from TC members before we make a call for nominations. The biggest question I have is how much time do we expect TC members to have available for the TC. i think we've been having a lot of trouble that seems like it has a high probability of being re

Bug#797533: New CTTE members

2015-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: minor User: tech-c...@packages.debian.org Hi all, following up after our latest tech-ctte IRC meeting [0], I propose to hereby coordinate our decision-making process towards proposing two candidate TC members to the DPL for a term starting in January next year. I've r