Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-28 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:50:54 + Steven Chamberlain wrote: > The sysvinit page doesn't have a specific maintainer/advocate. It is a > collection of opinions from discussion on debian-devel@ and elsewhere. > Other camps have already responded to parts they don't agree with. > > Unless any volu

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-27 Thread Steven Chamberlain
The sysvinit page doesn't have a specific maintainer/advocate. It is a collection of opinions from discussion on debian-devel@ and elsewhere. Other camps have already responded to parts they don't agree with. Unless any volunteers want to make last-minute small changes, it can probably be taken a

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/22/2013 04:56 AM, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/11/13 18:23, Russ Allbery wrote: >> What is the current status of the other position statements from the >> perspective of their maintainers? Do people have a feel for when they'll >> consider their positions finalized, at least pe

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-21 Thread Steven Chamberlain
Hi, On 10/11/13 18:23, Russ Allbery wrote: > What is the current status of the other position statements from the > perspective of their maintainers? Do people have a feel for when they'll > consider their positions finalized, at least pending Technical Committee > feedback and questions? Sorry

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Russ, On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:23:06AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Jackson writes: > > Ian Jackson writes: > >> So I would appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean each side of the > >> argument) would make sure that your page represents the best case you > >> can put forward. > > Th

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > Ian Jackson writes: >> So I would appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean each side of the >> argument) would make sure that your page represents the best case you >> can put forward. > This seems to have come along very well in the past few days. > We now have five camp

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-11-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi Ian, Le jeudi 31 octobre 2013 à 15:01 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : > Perhaps it would be good if the camp leader(s) for each camp would > reply with a summary of: > - the status of their own main arguments: are you mostly done, > or do you expect to add more substantial points > - the

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Konstantinos Margaritis writes ("Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee"): > So I think this question should really be added as a con to systemd. The way that the Debate wiki system works is that the proponents of any particular answer are in charge of the

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-10-31 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
Hi all, I'd just like to mentioned just a small(big? you decide) issue that I haven't seen mentioned yet from anyone. Against systemd. systemd has explicitly mentioned its Linux-only support. Sure, that affects kFreeBSD/Hurd now. But changing an init system should be done looking ahead *at least

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-10-31 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > How long do people think finalising this is going to take ? There are > some potential problems with setting a hard deadline in advance but > we're hoping to deal with this matter fairly soon now. I propose the following approach: 1. Set a date for the first drafts of the

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-10-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee"): > Steve Langasek writes[1]: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd ... > So I would appreciate it if you (and by "you" I mean each side of the > argum

Bug#727708: init system question before the technical committee

2013-10-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Steve Langasek writes[1]: > For my part, I think the suggestion that Russ and Lars made a while ago to > maintain position statements in the Debian wiki is a good one, and I would > encourage you to make use of this structure so that you can lay out your > arguments in a way that doesn't require yo