Le Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 08:27:33PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff a écrit :
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 02:04:01AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the same issue, I talked to Christian, as tasksel
> > co-maintainer, a while ago, to drop menu from the desktop task. If my
> > memory serves me
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:05:11PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 14-05-13 23:31, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> Wouter Verhelst writes:
> >>> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >>
> Packages can, to be compat
On 14-05-13 23:31, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Wouter Verhelst writes:
>>> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>
Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
legacy window managers, also
On 15-05-13 08:23, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> (Your last mail was not sent to the BTS but to the ML directly)
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> I didn't mean to imply someone other than the relevant UI maintainers
>> would need to write code for this to happen; we could simply add s
(Your last mail was not sent to the BTS but to the ML directly)
On Tue, 14 May 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I didn't mean to imply someone other than the relevant UI maintainers
> would need to write code for this to happen; we could simply add some
> wording along the lines of
>
> packages t
Charles Plessy writes:
> I would like to integrate it while keeping the instructions about the
> Debian menu and the mailcap entries. Here is my proposition.
> 9.6 : Packages should support at least one of the FreeDesktop and the Debian
> menu system.
I'm not sure "at least one" does any
Le Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:02:50AM +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
> Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 16:06 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > Josselin Mouette writes:
> > > How about simply “not useful as a standalone application”?
> >
> > That sounds great to me.
>
> Here is a new proposed wording
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:50:14PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst writes:
> > On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> >> Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
> >> legacy window managers, also provide a menu file. Such menu
> >>
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:51:13PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:07:30 Bill Allombert wrote:
>
> > > And it is probably similar for many other window managers and desktop
> > > environments.
> >
> > How many window managers support the XDG menu specification ?
>
> Most[tm
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> Packages can, to be compatible with Debian additions to some
>> legacy window managers, also provide a menu file. Such menu
>> entries should follow the Debian menu policy, which can be found
>>
On 13-05-13 10:02, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> * The maintainer should use the “debian-desktop” mailing
> list too coordinate with maintainers of menu
> implementations, in order to avoid bad interactions with
> other icons or wrong catego
Wouter Verhelst writes:
> It refers to some (unspecified) window manager implementations as
> "legacy", which I think is a no-go (if they're supported in Debian, by
> definition they're not legacy).
I think it's fair to say that not supporting desktop files for the menu
infrastructure makes a wi
In general, seconded. Thank you for writing this up! The following are
mostly editing notes intended for whoever (possibly myself if I can find
time) might turn this into SGML.
Josselin Mouette writes:
> 9.6 Menus
> Packages shipping applications that belong in the menu of a
>
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:22:18AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I don’t think the basic purpose is different. It’s just that so far, the
> Debian menu maintainers have put menu completeness before usability. We
> should use the opportunity of a policy change to take care of that.
It is unfair
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 16:06 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Josselin Mouette writes:
> > How about simply “not useful as a standalone application”?
>
> That sounds great to me.
Here is a new proposed wording with all your suggestions.
9.6 Menus
Packages shipping applications that
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 04:06:48PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>
> > The latest mime-support in unstable makes use of desktop files. So while
> > for menu it still makes sense to ship legacy menu files, for MIME it is
> > not necessary anymore.
>
> Oh! Right, I remember that now; sorry about f
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 08:03 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
>> I'm not sure that "mostly called from the terminal" is quite the right
>> way of phrasing the point, but I'm not sure what the right way of
>> handling it is. My feeling is that things that make sense as
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 08:03 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > * If the application will only be used directly in rare
> > cases – mostly called from a terminal, or used solely as
> > handler for a given MIME type, for example – the desktop
> >
Josselin Mouette writes:
> You are also right about MIME handling; now that you have updated
> mime-support in unstable (thanks!). As such, let me propose an alternate
> wording.
This looks like the right idea to me.
> 9.6 Menus
>
> Packages shipping applications that belong in
On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:07:30 Bill Allombert wrote:
> > And it is probably similar for many other window managers and desktop
> > environments.
>
> How many window managers support the XDG menu specification ?
Most[tm]
It is *the* menu in Gnome, in KDE's workspaces, in XFCE, in LXDE, in razor-
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:07:08PM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> Package: debian-policy
> Severity: normal
>
> Dear Maintainer,
>
> In the default desktop installation of Debian, the Debian menu is
> actively hidden (On GNOME by a patch to gnome-menus).
>
> In the - I think - most common alterna
Hi,
Le dimanche 12 mai 2013 à 10:08 +0900, Charles Plessy a écrit :
> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE menus on some sytems where
On Sunday 12 May 2013 12:09:28 Charles Plessy wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> here are a few clarification in addition to the answer from Russ. I assume
> that, as for Gnome, it is possible for KDE to hide the whole Debian menu if
> wanted, so the question is about possible proliferation of FreeDestkop
>
On Saturday 11 May 2013 19:44:13 Russ Allbery wrote:
> Do you want them to? A straightforward reading of this modification to
> Policy, were I the bc and dc maintainer, would indicate that I should add
> a desktop file to the package.
There is as such nothing wrong with it, and the spec even su
Le Sun, May 12, 2013 at 04:22:56AM +0200, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
>
> > About the current patch, I think that the mention of "legacy debian
> > additions to some legacy window managers" is not informative as it does not
> > provide guidance. For the both menu systems, I would like to have
> > expl
Sune Vuorela writes:
> On Sunday 12 May 2013 10:08:52 Charles Plessy wrote:
>> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
>> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
>> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE menus on some
>>
Hi Charles
Thank you for your questions
On Sunday 12 May 2013 10:08:52 Charles Plessy wrote:
> If we were to recommend FreeDesktop menu entries instead of Debian menu
> entires, and if this recommendation were followed carefully, this would
> increase the number of entries in the Gnome and KDE me
Le Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:48:47PM +0200, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
>
> Menus
>
> -
> - The Debian menu package provides a standard
> - interface between packages providing applications and
> - menu programs (either X window managers or
> - text
On Saturday 11 May 2013 13:36:36 Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think I agree with this move, but I'd really like it to come in
> conjunction with adding a recommendation to include a desktop file, since
> that's what most of the desktop environments actually use. That way, we
> don't lose functionality.
Sune Vuorela writes:
> So let's soften the wording a little around debian menu files in policy
> so that people don't feel like they *have* to create menu files that
> aren't much used.
I think I agree with this move, but I'd really like it to come in
conjunction with adding a recommendation to
Package: debian-policy
Severity: normal
Dear Maintainer,
In the default desktop installation of Debian, the Debian menu is
actively hidden (On GNOME by a patch to gnome-menus).
In the - I think - most common alternate used desktop setup (KDE Plasma
Desktop), the Debian menu looks like a weird
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