Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#1108378: git-debpush: should warn for superfluous
quilt mode option on command line"):
> Reasonable options are:
>
> a. Refuse
> b. Failed check (prompt)
> c. Grumble on stderr but do it anyway
> d. Silently do it anyway
>
> Cur
d know you're passing a
possibly-superfluous quilt mode, you're writing a script which
unconditionally overrides git-debpush's determination, so you ought to
pass a specific --force-failed-check option (I forget how those are
spelled...)
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t hash is
supposed to be ?
> One question remains unanswered. Should we allow .delta files modifying
> the tarball contents (i.e., do we want to allow generating tarballs
> which have different contents then the git tree)?
I don't think I fully understand the implications. My default
p
PECIFIC-VERSION, it is ok to specify either of
those versions as SPECIFIC-VERSION. We might the user (who isn't
using t2u) to specify -v.
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posterity.
The rest need more thought.
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retitle -1 test suite should check tag2upload output is reproducible
severity -1 minor
We think both the git objects, and the .dsc, are probably
reproducible, but we're not sure.
Also it would nice if some external non-Debian service was auditing
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Control: severity -1 important
This keeps causing trouble in real uploads. We're working on it right
now.
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Control: severity -1 normal
Sean and I discussed this IRL. We've decided that this can probably
be left undone for now, particularly given how nasty the proposedd
approach is.
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d do that.
Thanks to Colin Watson for the original outage report.
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iwj@tag2upload-builder-01:~$ ps -efH
UID PIDPPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD
root 2 0 0 May30 ?00:00:00 [kthreadd]
root 3 2 0 May30 ?00:00:00 [rcu_gp]
root
cache. I'm using this in my ~/.emacs:
> (setq native-comp-jit-compilation nil)
Thanks for sharing.
> I'm happy to help debugging this futher detail if you tell me how I
> can do this.
Hrm. I wish I knew where to start. I will see if some of the Debian
Emacs maintainers
r support,
#1106071, might also be needed, for this upload to have worked.)
I have a half-written patch for #1109130. It needs some tests.
Tests for this will overlap somewhat with those for pristine-tar.
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If an orig tarball needs to be (re)generated, the service will use
pristine-tar, using precixely the metadata in the .id file. The
service will check that the generated tarball MATCHES THE HASH IN
THE .ID FILE and that its contained tree is identical to SOMETHING.
The named prstine-tar commit
good idea to nail down the spec before writing code. Deciding
on correct behaviour in advance saves rework (and rework is extra
effort and often leads to additional confusion and additional bugs).
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Andrea Pappacoda writes ("Bug#1106071: [RFC PATCH dgit v1] tag2upload: add
pristine-tar support"):
> On Fri Jul 25, 2025 at 12:00 AM CEST, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > This would be the first such, (--quilt ought to have been but is
> > grandfathered) but I think probably
in practice, and users don't want to
just git rm the unwanted info from their pristine-tar branch, then I
guess we'll need to add the tarball name to the tag or something.
> +tarball=$(git ls-tree --name-only | while IFS= read -r file; do
If you're using git-ls-tree then you nee
Control: severity -1 wishlist
Colin Watson writes ("Bug#1109423: want dgit push-source
--facilitate-xz-attack"):
> I made some comments about this in a tag2upload contributors BoF at
> DebConf which contained details new to Ian, and they asked me to write
> those details
tags generated by
git-debpush since in that case we'd need to investigate anyway.
But users who write their own tag generator will probably want it.
Ian.
(filing against dgit-infrastructure but this would be implemented in
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> FTR I am currently in the process of moving the details of the
> orig-obtaining code from tag2upload_obtain_origs in dgit-repos-server
> (which runs in the oracle) to a new script in dgit.deb which will run
> on
Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#1106071: tag2upload contributors coordination
mini-bof"):
> I hope to see some of you in the Noisy Hacklab, at *13:15*.
>
> We will be done by no later than 13:45 so you'll have some gap before
> talks start.
The Content Team suggest we mi
some gap before
talks start.
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I had to pick a time, and Saturday 13:30 is
it.
This is very exciting and I look forward to (trying to) put names to
faces (perhaps again, sorry!). Also, I mined some email @debian
addresses from the internet; sorry if I got those wrong. I'll ping
the affected folks on IRC too.
Ian.
PS I will
probably wait until I'm done.
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canonicalisation (as we do for .gitignore).
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ironment (as debsign does) and call this bug done. It would
override git config and the default, but be overridden by -u.
I think this doesn't prevent us possiby honouring DEBEMAIL and
DEBFULLNAME later (for tagger field, or key selectdion).
Sean, does this SGTY?
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Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1108267: git-debpush should allow selecting the
key to sign with"):
> I suggest that we change git-debpush to honour DEBSIGN_KEYID in the
> environment (as debsign does) and call this bug done. It would
> override git config and the default, but
n great but I can
give it a go. Am I just to post to lmkl, or what ?
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I agree with automatic sorting of the output.
The -L option is useful for both humans and scripts, in both cases
sorting is either preferable or causes no problems (that I can think of.)
It can't be relied on that packages' internal file lists are in a
legible order.
100644
--- a/debian/changelog
+++ b/debian/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
+chiark-utils (8.0.1) unstable; urgency=medium
+
+ * Fix xbatmon-simple compatibility with kernel 6.12.35, which reports
+negative POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL resulting in alarming entirely-red
+display. Closes: #1109342.
+
+ -- Ian Jackson Tue, 15 Jul 2025 17:05:42
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+
chiark-utils (8.0.0) unstable; urgency=medium
* Rewrite the packaging to use `debhelper` and `dh` in as standard a way
Control: retitle -1 xbatmon-simple and negative POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL
This is due to #1109344.
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of current flow.
Thanks for your attention.
Ian.
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** Version:
Linux version 6.12.35+deb13-amd64 (debian-ker...@lists.debian.org)
(x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-14 (Debian 14.2.0-19) 14.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for
Debian) 2.44) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.12.35-1 (2025-07-03
um
value
ucsi-source-psy-USBC000:004/uevent: POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE value `USB': unknown enum
value
^C
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over that everything is totally broken, we *should* bomb out.
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Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Bug#1108378: git-debpush: should warn for superfluous
quilt mode option on command line"):
> On Tue 01 Jul 2025 at 02:46pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > But implementing this may be nontrivial. quilt mode archaeology is
> > complex, and current
plementing.
I think the usefulness of this is not dependent on git-deborig vs
pristine-tar. If the orig can't be downloaded then regenerating it
(however the tag specifies) is a good bet. It becomes a better bet
with pristine-tar support, but it's still a good idea.
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n't be made from git by the
oracle. But the oracle could try to regenerate the orig itself, and
see if it got the same one (same sha256). If it did, it could use
that.
I think in many cases, this would work. It would work if the
uploader's workflow for one with the .orig was sufficiently
gi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1107137#137
patch 5
Thanks,
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, so that we can update it more
easily.
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f we do #1108378 we can hopefully train users out of the habit of
passing --quilt=, so maybe we don't need this.
See also my answer in #1108378 about implementation difficulties.
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it is allowed to crash whenever it can't figure
things out. I think this proposal involves distinguishing "something
is unexpected about the git structure which means that we cannot
determine the quilt mode automatically" from "something is seriously
wrong and we should crash ev
to use a proper email library to massage the recipient
fields (at least, the ones that aren't role addresses).
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Sean Whitton writes ("Bug#1108242: tag2upload job mails should report the outer
and inner dgit versions"):
> On Tue 24 Jun 2025 at 01:10pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I already added a dgit option to do part of the job. Do you think all
> > of this should become a new dg
native source formats reject everything except --quilt=native
and maybe --quilt=nofix.
* Add a note to the top of QUILT MODE OPTIONS in the manpage saying
this is only needed for the first upload of any particular
package.
I'm starting to wonder if the --gbp alias for --quilt=gbp
Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Bug#1108243: want way to find image uuid used for a
particular t2u job"):
> On Mon 23 Jun 2025 at 11:51pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I suggest we:
> >
> > * Change the image creation script to put something in the image's
> &g
those, likely
> you did something similar back in the day :)
Urgh, this is a bit of a mess, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure we don't want git-debpush to read ~/.devscrfipts.
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going to use? DEBFULLNAME/DEBEMAIL are very
commonly set and many tools use them. DEBSIGN_KEY seems useful.
DEBSIGN_MAINT ?
Q5. Are we going to have the d/changelog Changed-by information
influence the tagger line and/or key selection? debsign does.
dgit allows the dchangelog to influen
Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Bug#1108242: tag2upload job mails should report the
outer and inner dgit versions"):
> On Mon 23 Jun 2025 at 11:48pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > We should change dgit-repos-server to run dgit --version. This should
> > be done both on the oracle
omething in the image's
/etc/environment. (Empirically, the podman rune produced by
autopkgtest looks at this.)
* Have dgit-repos-server run a command to get the information
by running a command inside the container.
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, and both versions
should appear in the report email.
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r is passing different options).
The message I added in !231 is
Tag $debian_tag already exists at $fetch_url.
This version seems already to have been released.
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Ian Jackson writes ("Bug#1108200: ftp.debian.org: dgit_13.4_source.changes
upload vanished?"):
> I used tag2upload to upload src:dgit 13.4 to experimental.
> This all seemed to go fine but I haven't had the expected ACCEPT mail.
Debian FTP Masters writes ("dgit_13.4_so
ser is accidentally re-using a version number.
>Anyway we don't want to change a published tag.
>
>Unconditional failure.
I *have* implemented this part.
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> Also, you removed and them re-added "Most source packages in Debian are
> non-native." between patches in the series. I'm not sure why that was
> done but I would also like to suggest replacing it with "Most source
> packages in Debian use non-native version numberin
Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Bug#1108181: git-debpush ought not to depend on
devscripts"):
> On Sun 22 Jun 2025 at 03:26pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Yes. I don't see how we can avoid that other than vendoring
> git-deborig?
We're about to try to parse gbp.conf too. P
Package: git-debpush
Version: 12.14
Severity: important
I discovered while working on new tests in dgit mainline that the
declared dependencies for git-debpush are not sufficient to actually
run it.
I'm going to fix this.
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t-deborig which we are using
just for the upstream tag name hunting?
Filing against 13.3 since I doubt we'll change this in 12.x for
trixie.
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ing in the git header apart for the date in the tagger line.
We don't verify the signature, but a "same tag" must be one that
looks signed.
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you an alternative suggestion we received:
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: Bug#1105759: git-debpush upstream tag confusion"):
> On Jun 20, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > This might involve a dependency on [gbp-config]
>
> Agreed. But gpb.conf is a simple ini-style file, an
ther than
by changing the quilt mode.
It's not clear whether they were intending to change the branch format
to patches-unapplied; the package currently has no patches.
Ian.
[1]
https://salsa.debian.org/varnish-team/varnish-modules/-/commit/df9a6a63e86e47e1c30bd13ac981537f00efdd7e
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their name, which would feel icky, at least to me.
Yes. Hmm.
While I was writing my previous proposal it occurred to me that maybe
we should follow git instead. I tried to find a specification of the
syntax of the "author" and "committer" and "tagger" header l
sed with "3.0 (quilt)". I believe that
some other tools like git-dpm and git-debcherry do too.
ISTM that debian/control could be thought of similarly.
One key question is: what happens if you start with transformed view,
the edit the package? Either the generated files or the inp
s about
the local branch to use as input, not where the output ends up.
Let's see what Sean thinks about this. (Bug clone -2, bug# TBD.)
3. git-debpush ought to avoid re-making an existing DEP-14 tag.
This is covered by #1107921, especially
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?
Marco d'Itri writes ("Re: Bug#1105759: git-debpush upstream tag confusion"):
> On May 14, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >Maybe we could talk to the gbp maintainer and ask if there could be a
> >common *git* config option (set with `git config`) for this question.
>
>
27;s intended use case is precisely to upload from a branch you
don't currently have checked out. I think this is a minority
interest. Maybe it should have a less attractive name.
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Sean Whitton writes ("Bug#1107921: git-debpush fetch before making tag"):
> On Tue 17 Jun 2025 at 12:41pm +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > * Provide options which can be used to retry a push, including
> >a way to push only the tag. How about --retry-push
> >an
l tag. That would also help us in the future when
we'll want to update the server-side machinery to new dependencies but
still be able to test git-debpush on old releases.
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Sean Whitton writes ("Bug#1107552: git-debpush's changed suite check"):
> On Mon 09 Jun 2025 at 11:18am +01, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > git-debpush pickiness:
> >
> > git-debpush can easily do this check because it's digging into history
> > anyway to
Suggested approach.
Gosh there's a lot of decisions to make!
Ian.
## Fields giving names and email addresses (entity and email fields)
The format of the content of all fields naming people including
Maintainer, and Uploaders are based on IETF RFC 5322 recipient fields
(e.g., "To:&
Andrey Rakhmatullin writes ("Re: Bug#401452: Standardize syntax of the name in
the Maintainer control field"):
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025 at 11:47:08AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >Furthermore, we have the Uploaders field now. Clearly Maintainer and
> >Uploaders ought
The Wanderer writes ("Re: Bug#1107137: Distinguish "native source packsge" from
"native version number""):
> On 2025-06-13 at 07:33, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > +When the ``debian_revision`` is absent, the package's primary
> > +maintenance is withi
Whole series with "non-" nsense fixed.
Ian.
>From cf66ee770fc633ff98035521946f7f6533d1d236 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Ian Jackson
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 14:34:00 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/4] Add heading for version comparison
---
policy/ch-controlfields.rst | 5 +
1 fi
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1107137: Distinguish "native source packsge" from
"native version number""):
> The Wanderer writes ("Re: Bug#1107137: Distinguish "native source packsge"
> from "native version number""):
> You&#
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Bug#1107137: Distinguish "native source packsge" from
"native version number""):
> Attached is the fixup! commit I've made. It autosquashes cleanly.
> I'll follow up with a re-attachment of the whole 4-patch series.
>From
version number, indicates a non-native version: the package has
no separate versioning in upstream versus Debian. See
:ref:`s-native-version`.
Attached is the fixup! commit I've made. It autosquashes cleanly.
I'll follow up with a re-attachment of the whole 4-patch series.
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Sean Whitton writes ("Re: Bug#1091868: debian-policy: Document Git-Tag-Tagger
and Git-Tag-Info fields"):
> Note that these new fields are in the archive, now, indeed in trixie.
> Seeking seconds. Thanks!
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downstreams with a different policy.
Furthermore, we have the Uploaders field now. Clearly Maintainer and
Uploaders ought to be in the same syntax.
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uploading the experimental branch to sid. I think
dgit's --new is wrong and have filed #1107551 about that.
Tenative conclusion:
This check should be simply removed from git-debpush.
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s never
opened me up to that error, and in dgit 0.2 I wouldn't have been
thinking about dch and UNRELEASED.)
Changing this might have compatibility implications, but I think it'll
be fine in a major release.
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Package: git-debpush
Version: 13.13
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: [PATCH fyi 3/4] git-debpush: When tests fail, prompt
to proceed as though --force"):
> The approach you have taken invites the user to confirm *all* failed
> checks in one go, with a prompt that doesn't list the
> > + maintainers, and is simply maintained by Debian. See
> > + :ref:`s-native-version`.
>
> Here too, I don't believe this is true. We can say something along the
> lines that the Debian packaging does not separate upstream from Debian
> changes, maybe?
I'll reword this.
Any further comments from anyone?
If not I'll respin the series and send a new mail with updates.
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test is good in
git-debpush. But thinking about this makes me want dgit to be more
picky.
I don't think this is urgent since the anomalous states seem to be
rejected by most git submodule tooling so probably don't exist in the
wild very much, but you could perhaps make them by manual
ian.
OK. My reading of #1049406 is that it's asking a question.
I think you'll probably agree with my answer in
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1049406#15
?
Ian.
FTR I'm going to be mostly AFK for a week or so, so unless something
urgent comes up I'll look a
cto upstream
for an ancient abandoned C program".
I already tried a bit of "debug a desktop library's X11 wm hints
handling" without success so far. If you have any advice for me in
#1087207 that would be greatly appreciated. Otherwise I guess I will
blunder on as best I
I wrote:>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them out.
dunst works great for me. <3
I would still like to fix #1087207 as a service to other users.
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, and this kind of
thing is hardly going to encourage others to try to resolve
longstanding problems using our official processes.
So I would appreciate at the very least some explicit recognition that
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ould be a rule of this
kind.
If we move the stuff about version numbers to where it belongs, then
policy will be silent on all of these questions, and all the existing
(working) practices are implicitly legitimised.
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confusing, because while 1.0-native and 1.0-with-diff are in this
sense different formats, dpkg-soruce has debian/source/format which
conflates them.
I've explicitly stated that non-native source formats can't be used
with native versions. I don't think such a thing could functi
possible to simply filter out submodules during canonicalisation.
That would improve convenience when upstream has submodules but the
Debian package wants to ignore all of them completely. How common
do we think this situation is?
(Note that it's easy to speak of doing thi
the light of new information and experience. But I
don't think there has been any new information here, other than
that Ubuntu has relaxed this restriction without any problems for
them.
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Ian.
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't think I will have time to investigate this very soon - I'm
abou to go away for a week. Feel free to ping if nothing happens
after several weeks...
Thanks,
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with this is to the same thing as we do in all
these other cases:
* Report an error to the uploader (as we do)
* Have monitoring and QA systems (like tracker.d.o) detect it
and display a warning about it. (I don't know if they do.)
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Matthew Vernon writes ("Re: Bug#1106402: dpkg-source, native source package
format with non-native version"):
> I think Ian is right that we could declare as he wishes under 6.1.1 that:
>
>dpkg-source should be able to build "3.0 (native)" source packages
&
itive decision on this until after the TC has delibrated, but of
course you must do what you think best.
Ian.
[1] Before actually preparing any upload we would want to check what
the Ubuntu version of the patch is. We might well prefer that.
[2] I think the 2nd hunk is out of scope because it
upload to unstable?
(c) something else.
I guess if I don't hear from you I will try (a) and fall back to
uploading to unstable and hoping for (b).
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s contribution. We appreciate your diligence!
I think we will allow dgit 12.12 to migrate to testing, and then
update the translations afterwards. My reading of the freeze policy
is that this will still be possible. Please let us know if you think
I've got that wrong.
Ian.
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output is something with chiark's IPv6 address in it.
Also, this should work:
% adns synch v6.chiark.greenend.org.uk
bad rrtype "": must be a, cname, hinfo, addr, ns, mx, txt, soa, ptr, rp,
soa-, ptr-, or rp-
while evaluating adns synch v6.chiark.greenend.org.uk
Ian.
matters were already discussed
exhaustively in #1007717, I'm hoping that the TC can make a decision
fairly quickly.
Thanks,
Ian.
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