Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one. It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter how many people are using it :) *Someone* needs to do the

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Holger Levsen - 19.10.18, 12:02: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one. > > It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to > maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter > how many people

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Bastian Blank - 19.10.18, 12:25: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > So Devuan almost doubles the percentage of sysvinit-core > > installations. > Devuan is _not_ Debian. They forked it, with the full knowledge that > they might have to do all the work to sup

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Wed 17/Oct/2018 23:06:24 +0200 Russ Allbery wrote: >> You say "more than adequate". I don't particularly see it as providing a >> solid system as you don't get restart on failure. Now I can see how >> people say that this is not a problem as daemons should not crash in the >> first place. Maybe

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:30 PM Martin Steigerwald wrote: > As long as people choose to strip of dependencies to libsystemd from > packages like util-linux, avoiding a fork would not work with how Debian > and Debian based distributions are built. It might be feasible to introduce nosystemd build