On 22/02/2014 03:32, Joel Lopes Da Silva wrote:
> I don't really know much more than that, sorry. I'm not a FreeBSD
> developer either. I'm just a guy who thinks launchd is a pretty awesome
> init system, and who would love to see it more widely used.
Well, our hands are pretty busy here. But if y
On Friday, February 21, 2014, at 09:04 PM, Robert Millan wrote:
> On 21/02/2014 19:09, Joel Lopes Da Silva wrote:
> > Furthermore, if you Google some of these big names (launchd, OpenRC and
> > systemd), narrowing down the search results to wiki.freebsd.org, it will
> > be pretty clear that launchd
On 21/02/2014 19:09, Joel Lopes Da Silva wrote:
> Furthermore, if you Google some of these big names (launchd, OpenRC and
> systemd), narrowing down the search results to wiki.freebsd.org, it will
> be pretty clear that launchd seems to be only one that’s actually being
> worked on by FreeBSD devel
Hi folks,
I’m just a lambda user of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, not a Debian Developer or
Maintainer. But if I could give you guys my 2 cts, I’d encourage you to
really consider launchd for this discussion. It’s a proven system, which
has been in use for many years in what’s arguably one of the most wid
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 02:47:14PM +, Robert Millan wrote:
> On 14/02/2014 18:46, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> > Well, we have an announcement today from Canonical - AIUI Upstart will
> > be discontinued after Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and they will switch to systemd:
> > http://www.markshuttleworth
On 14/02/2014 18:46, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> Well, we have an announcement today from Canonical - AIUI Upstart will
> be discontinued after Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and they will switch to systemd:
> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
I'm not familiar with Ubuntu politics. Is everyone in li
On 12/02/14 12:40, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> In particular I wonder what Ubuntu will do, and
> if Upstart has a future at all.
Well, we have an announcement today from Canonical - AIUI Upstart will
be discontinued after Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and they will switch to systemd:
http://www.markshuttlewort
On 12 February 2014 12:23, Robert Millan wrote:
> On 12/02/2014 12:09, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
>> There are a few reasons to keep sysvinit scripts maintained for jessie:
>> 1. for smoother upgrades from wheezy
>> 2. in order to backport jessie packages to wheezy
>> 3. for non-Linux (or non-syste
On 12/02/14 13:18, Robert Millan wrote:
> Or maybe backward compat? I hear some of the new init implementations
> support SysV.
SysV init scripts?
I thought this was obvious, or maybe I misunderstand what you mean.
*All* of the init systems that were discussed by the TC, even systemd
(for now), c
On 12/02/2014 12:40, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> Although, come jessie+1, I wonder how upgrades will be handled, if
> sysvinit scripts go away.
Maybe Pre-Depends. Or maybe have written instructions to install
the new init by hand, like we often do for kernels.
Or maybe backward compat? I hear som
On 12/02/14 12:23, Robert Millan wrote:
> If we have to support it anyway, is it really worth spending effort on
> Upstart/OpenRC for Jessie?
Right, sysvinit is a viable and easy option for jessie; having any
other init systems working is a bonus.
At least we know now that we need to concentrate
On 12/02/2014 12:09, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> There are a few reasons to keep sysvinit scripts maintained for jessie:
> 1. for smoother upgrades from wheezy
> 2. in order to backport jessie packages to wheezy
> 3. for non-Linux (or non-systemd) ports
>
> So ports are not the only reason. And y
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:02:45 +0100
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 10:45 +, Robert Millan wrote:
> On 29/01/2014 09:26, Petr Salinger wrote:
> What is the c
On 12/02/14 10:45, Robert Millan wrote:
> I'm a bit afraid that even if sysvinit itself stays mostly fine, the scripts
> written for
> it could turn into a bunch of bitrot.
There are a few reasons to keep sysvinit scripts maintained for jessie:
1. for smoother upgrades from wheezy
2. in order to
On 12/02/14 12:04, Svante Signell wrote:
> I fear that it is currently broken since one of the latest patches. Do
> you have a (scrappable) pre-installed image I can download, ala:
> http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/
Yes, Aurelien Jarno has kindly made these:
> http://blog.aurel32.ne
On 29/01/2014 09:26, Petr Salinger wrote:
>> 1. stay with sysvinit
>> 2. switch to OpenRC unconditionally
>> 3. switch to Upstart unconditionally
>> 4. switch to Upstart only if Linux uses it by default, otherwise OpenRC
>> 5. further discussion
>>
>> Please rank the above putting your preferred op
I'm only a kFreeBSD user and don't have any official standing within the
Debian project, but all the same my preferences are
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where 6. is the proposed alternative to switch to Upstart if Linux uses
it, otherwise sysvinit.
Jeff
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Robert Millan writes:
> [ 3 ] 1. stay with sysvinit
> [ 3 ] 2. switch to OpenRC unconditionally
> [ 3 ] 3. switch to Upstart unconditionally
> [ 1 ] 4. switch to Upstart only if Linux uses it by default, otherwise OpenRC
> [ 2 ] 5. further discussion
Petr Salinger writes:
> I would add also
1. stay with sysvinit
2. switch to OpenRC unconditionally
3. switch to Upstart unconditionally
4. switch to Upstart only if Linux uses it by default, otherwise OpenRC
5. further discussion
Please rank the above putting your preferred option first, as per
Debian's usual Condorcet voting system. T
On 28/01/14 22:31, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> 1. stay with sysvinit
I know that would be the least work, but I think we should take the
opportunity to switch now to one of the modern init systems. Some
package maintainers specifically expressed that they don't want to
maintain SysV init scripts
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On 28/01/2014 23:31, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> Here are the options I can think of - but let me know if you want
> something not represented here:
>
> 1. stay with sysvinit
> 2. switch to OpenRC unconditionally
> 3. switch to Upstart unconditionally
Em 2014-01-28 20:31, Steven Chamberlain escreveu:
Hi everyone,
"What init system would we like to use by default on the non-Linux
ports
for jessie?"
I hope this question is really as straightforward as it looks, and that
we might come to some general agreement much more quickly than the
tech-
Hi everyone,
"What init system would we like to use by default on the non-Linux ports
for jessie?"
I hope this question is really as straightforward as it looks, and that
we might come to some general agreement much more quickly than the
tech-ctte bug!
Here are the options I can think of - but l
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